A MARTIAN LESSON....
Simultaneous warming on Earth and Mars suggests that our planet's recent climate changes have a natural—and not a human- induced—cause.
Earth is currently experiencing warming, which the vast majority of tenured climate scientists says is due to humans pumping huge amounts of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere. Mars, too, appears to be enjoying more mild and balmy temperatures. In 2005 data from NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Odyssey missions revealed that the carbon dioxide "ice caps" near Mars's south pole had been diminishing for three summers in a row. Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being caused by changes in the sun. "The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars," he said.
Say it ain't so......
David Vance
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Channel 4 TV, Thursday 8th March at 9.00 p.m. till 10.35 p.m. 'The Great Global Warming Swindle' by Martin Durkin. Apparently he examines solar influence particularly the work of Henrik Svensmark. The programme is aid to be jolly persuasive. It is about time that the MSM enters the debate in a more questioning way.
Yes, we were all out looking at the lunar eclipse too. Exciting, wasn't it?
Disappointed you didn't put up Leo Sayer's Moonlighing as Saturday Nite Jukebox, David.
Just wait a mo.....
"The programme is aid to be jolly persuasive."
Haha! By people who haven't seen it yet?
Why don't one of you take this guy's bet:
http://backseatdriving.blogspot.com/2005/09/bet-offers-to-bloggers-denying-global.html
Peter T can answer for himself but I betcha the same wise blogger you link to was 100% behind the next Ice Age is coming back in the '70's and taking bets then too. Plus, who denies global warming? Not me.
Of course the CAUSE is a rather different issue.
"who denies global warming?"
Habibullo Abdussamatov. (The guy you cited up there. Remember?)
He says it's going to get colder.
"Not me"
You don't find him credible either, huh?
Of course I have not seen it yet but I have read about Svensmark and his work is jolly persuasive. As the sun is our major heat source why don't we pay more attention to its vagaries which appear to be many?
We come back to the old question - should we change the climate (how?) or should we adapt to the climate we have. I go for adaption every time. We have adapted in the past and we will adapt in the future. We have never yet changed the climate in a meaningful way.
Well! I certainly won't be voting for HIM on 7 March. What do the SDLP think they're up to????
"Of course I have not seen it yet but I have read about Svensmark and his work is jolly persuasive"
More persuasive than work done by all the others (and which does not apparently contradict it)? Why? Especially as he doesn't deny AGW and his work doesn't explain current changes.
"As the sun is our major heat source why don't we pay more attention to its vagaries which appear to be many? "
You're assuming it is somehow overlooked. Why?
"should we change the climate (how?)"
Question begging. The (best supported) claim is that we are changing it already, we have been for some time, and the possible outcomes now range from severe to catastrophic.
" or should we adapt to the climate we have."
Not mutually exclusive. Plus, you're assuming that the change will be gradual enough to adapt to. This much is not obvious.
"We have never yet changed the climate in a meaningful way."
Begging the question (and false on its face - e.g., increased GHGs, ice retreat, temperature increases, the ozone hole, ...).
Increased GHG's? - yes, CO2 levels are rising but evidence shows the CO2/Tempwrature relationship is not linear, Methane has ceased to rise and may even be reducing a little.
Ice retreat? - argumentative. The Greenland Ice Sheet has thickened as has the Antartic Eastern and Western Ice Sheets. The Antartic Peninsula has warmed. Most Northern Glaciers have retreated but Southern Glaciers have advanced. Most of the world's glaciers have never been studied.
Temperature increases? - there is a discrepancy between terrestrial temperatures and those measured by satellite. Many terrestrial measuring stations have been abadoned.Satellite measurements are recognised as the most accurate and they suggest a slight warming in the northern hemisphere whilst the southern hemisphere is cooling.
Ozone hole? - well it hasn't gone away and last year was almost as large as it ever recorded.
I accept that human activity will have some effect on the climate (urban heat island effect is one example) but I still contend - we have never altered the climate in a meaningful way i.e. in a way that we have intended or controlled.
http://www.moonbattery.com/
If time has passed before you read this, look for the March 3 2007 entries.
Please advise which southern glaciers are advancing and what proportion they are of the total.
Instinctually, I knew Rev. Gore was a fake - just something about the Southern Baptist shtick which didn't "feel" right - but I never could have guessed just what a bastard he actually is. His wife seems so nice.
The fact that the Rev. GOre flunked divinity school is really the ultimate irony. I'd be laughing except for the fact that so many remain convinced that he is right and are willing to cause costly punishing legistlation to be enacted.
"meanwhile, he is CEO of the company which sells the offets"
Nope. Try again.
"So, he stands to make a fortune on the panic he has created"
Gee - so it's not a marxist conspiracy anymore? What about the 2500 IPCC scientists, do they all have shares?
What will you claim next in your desparate attempts to change the subject? Is Al Gore is the leader of some reptile alien race who abducted you in your sleep, too?