ALL THE NEWS YOU WON'T READ IN THE MSM!
Saturday, January 10, 2009 at 09:28PM 
Now then, here's what you won't read in the rotten MSM.
Is Hamas falling apart? Senior IDF officer says roughly 300 Hamas men killed since army launched ground incursion, whole Hamas battalions wiped out in dozens of clashes with troops over weekend; terror group also hit by wave of desertions, official says.
A senior IDF officer estimated Saturday that roughly 300 Hamas men have been killed since the army launched its ground incursion in the Gaza Strip. The military official said IDF troops were able to wipe out whole battalions belonging to the Gaza terror group. "Hundreds of people were killed in the various combat sectors," the officer said. "Some Hamas companies and battalions were simply wiped out. We also see cases of desertions and unauthorized leaves, while some terror activists are scared to undertake moves that would jeopardize them vis-à-vis IDF troops."
Earlier Saturday, the IDF killed Hamas' rocket chief in the Gaza City area, Amir Mansi. The senior officer said that shortly before his death Mansi clashed with his subordinates, who refused to come out of their hideouts. The rocket chief was left with no choice but to launch mortar shells himself, and was killed after being identified by the army.
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Reader Comments (77)
Fantastic news.
God bless the IDF.
More pizza is on the way.
Yes, keep the pizza flowing.
http://pizzaidf.org/
just keep pounding them
If I knew how I'd put up Patsy Cline's I fall To Pieces - and dedicate it to the late Mister Mansi.
I understand Hamas' kindergarten section has suffered particularly heavy losses.
I wish America would learn from Israel I will not sign for my son to join the military here in America unless they can defend them self like an Israeli.
I have spoken to too many young men that have what we called shell shock and I asked them did you fear pulling the trigger because they might send you to jail and they told me yes, how can young men protect them self if they are scared to pull the trigger –Go Israel go -
An Arab perspective on the scum that the Israelis are fighting.
that was a very interesting video james
Oh dear the bloodthirsty and their groupies are having a trouser fumbling moment.
Let's imagine that the tables of firepower were turned for a moment, do we imagine that all of the IDF would be heroes to the end? Stuff and nonsense!
Still carry on fumbling chaps. I might be hesitant to add but it is a sunday, exulting in death, no matter whose it is isn't really something that real Christians do, is it?
Tony:
"it is a sunday, exulting in death, no matter whose it is isn't really something that real Christians do, is it?"
Actually it is, or used to be. Don't real Christians celebrate the death of Christ?
But joking aside your point is well made. It's time to talk. But let's see how many more lives are squandered needlessly before the talking.
Let's not forget that the death toll in Northern Ireland rose above 3000 before the combatants decided enough was enough.
Be warned Barry, you are on far from fertile ground with all your lily-livered chat about talking and peace.
This mob would have happily carpet bombed the Bogside, the Falls and South Armagh. Thank God even the Brits keep the afflicted away from positions of power. Well mainly ;¬)
Irish Barry,
We celebrate the resurrection of Christ, not his death. Try and keep up.
Tony,
"Thank God even the Brits keep the afflicted away from positions of power"
Such a pity you Republicans didn't learn from your betters then!...
David:
"We celebrate the resurrection of Christ, not his death. Try and keep up."
Really? Why then is the mascot of your religion a crucified man and not, oh I don't know, a feller sitting on a cloud?
But the real question is: why do you exult in deaths on a Sunday? It's not very Christian now is it?
Irish Barry
The "mascot" of David's religon is not a cricified man but an empty cross.
>>Such a pity you Republicans didn't learn from your betters then!...<<
The root of all nasty English imperialism Ernie. Don't you know the empire is finished? Here is some good friends of mine letting you know in song ;¬)
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=WJQuftPwi2I
.. although I suspect that David doesn't go a bundle on "mascots.
Aileen:
"The "mascot" of David's religon is not a cricified man but an empty cross."
It's still a mascot. Why do religionists need images? The real God too difficult for them?
Irish Barry -
It's time to talk.
What drivel.
The point of Hamas is to kill Jews. Hamas does not hate Jews because of anything Jews do. Its very reason is simply to kill Jews. It is the very point of Hamas.
So what do you think there is to talk about? What does Israel and Hamas say to each other?
Come on, let's have some substance from you.
Pete:
Bis: Let's not forget that the death toll in Northern Ireland rose above 3000 before the combatants decided enough was enough.
Moral: We can learn from history (some of us at least).
Irish Barry -
A predictably useless response.
Either even psychotic IRA scum didn't aim to kill as many as protestants, wherever they are with specific calls to kill protestant children wherever they are, or the comparison between the IRA and Hamas is valid (and you are making that comparison) in which case it was never any resistence movement.
Best leave your juvenile thinking aside on that one.
Come one, be specific. Israel is not going away and Hamas exists only to bring about an extermination of Jews.
What is there for them to say to each other?
Barry
The point at issue was you saying that Christians celebrated the death of Jesus and your evidence was that a crucified man was "the mascot".
I'm sure that David can and will speak for himself but I very much doubt that he is much into such mascots. Prods don't tend to go much for images on principle.
On the other hand people often use mascots and symbols as that. For example wedding rings. Does someone wearing one indicate that marriage itself is too difficult for them?
Tony,
Nothing at all to do with imperialism, or any other garbage to care to trot out as excuse for the retarded behaviour of your terrorists.
The fact is we are, as a nation, your betters, by culture, by achievement, and any other criteria you care to suggest. That you a too small minded to admit it, is your problem, not ours... no amount of your delusional posturing will make any difference, better get used to it....meanwhile, you stick to listening to your little ditties, after all, what else do you have?
Aileen,
You speak for me very well and I could not put it any more succinctly! Anyone who refers to Christ as a "mascot" is someone way beyond my desire for debate.
David to be fair, I don't think that Barry was refering to Christ as a mascot but the symbols. I think that he had crosses and crucifixes in mind as opposed to Christ being a "mascot" for God.
But he can correct me if I took him up wrong.
Aileen and David:
My allusion to Christ was a jest as I explained above and secondary to the topic. But since you wish to debate it, my dictionary defines "mascot" as:
"a person or thing that is supposed to bring good luck or that is used to symbolize a particular event or organization"
Ergo, Christ and his cross are symbols. But being a deist I don't hold with mascots, ju-jus, statues or whatever. Hope that clears it up.
Pete:
"Come one, be specific. Israel is not going away and Hamas exists only to bring about an extermination of Jews.
What is there for them to say to each other?"
They could start by discussing the various treaties that have been ignored. Better than more senseless deaths.
OK David you were right Barry did mean to present Jesus as a mascot.
Aileen:
Which I believe him to be. I see no evidence of his divinity. But that's a subject for another debate.
"Why then is the mascot of your religion a crucified man and not, oh I don't know, a feller sitting on a cloud?"
It is so that everyday we can see the agony that Christ went through to save us all. It isn't that we celebrate the death of Christ. We commemerate the death of Christ. We remember his death because he died to save us. We celebrate his resurrection.
"Israel is not going away and Hamas exists only to bring about an extermination of Jews."
In recent weeks Pete a lot of people have been brining up Hamas' charter. Hamas calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Where does it call for the destruction of the people of Israel?
I still call for the destruction of the state of Northern Ireland. I don't want to kill all the people in it or all the people that want Northern Ireland to exist. I want Northern Ireland to be literally "wiped of the map". Is there a difference between that and what Hamas are calling for?
Seamus:
"Hamas calls for the destruction of the State of Israel. Where does it call for the destruction of the people of Israel?"
Interesting point. Never occurred to me.
Pete Moore
Point of order
>>Best leave your juvenile thinking aside on that one.
Come one, be specific. Israel is not going away and Hamas exists only to bring about an extermination of Jews.<<
Isn't your description reason for existing quite juvenile?
Ernie
>>for the retarded behaviour of your terrorists.<<
"Actually on the scale of things my "Terrorists" behaved a hellava lot better than your legal and illegal "Terrorists"
>>The fact is we are, as a nation, your betters, by culture, by achievement, and any other criteria you care to suggest.<<
What a crass and idiotic statement by any standards. My wullie is bigger than yours (sticks tongue out) So there!
Incidently Ernie my nation is Scotland. Our achievements will stand the test of time in comparison with any other. Your obvious racist xenophobic attack on Ireland should be treated in the manner it deserves. Complete and utter mockery.
Apologies
>>Isn't your description reason for existing quite juvenile?<<
Should read "Isn't your description of Hamas reason for existing quite juvenile?
Tony,
You got it in one! - I was making a mockery of your ever more ridulous and crass utterances, you probably call it 'taking the piss', and with the likes of you, that is very easy.....
Ernie
Such casual racism used to "take the piss" not related to the royal family are you?
Does calling you one of several million whining, winging, leeching jock parasites growing fat and lazy on English money make me possibly royal too?
A Jew-hating Scot. Wow, it's like nearly all my insult boxes got ticked at once. You aren't possibly half-French as well are you?
Tony,
Yes today is the birth of a new movement to scrap all this politically correct nonsense.
From now on we will call a spade a spade, a Scot a - well - what do you call a Scot? - perhaps a drunken thug! nine times out of ten you wouldn't be far off the mark.
Just in passing what was racist in any of my previous remarks? - it's all in your imagination, but then you fellas with an inferiority complex are always the first to complain, it goes with the narrow minded outlook you have on life....Irish Barry even took exception to being called Irish yesterday, why - because it was written as spoken, - with a touch of brogue. He then thought that was an ad hominem remark! - if he had been called a c**t, then that may be construed as an ad hominem, but even that may have been open to doubt!...
Ernest:
"Irish Barry even took exception to being called Irish yesterday, why - because it was written as spoken, - with a touch of brogue. He then thought that was an ad hominem remark! - if he had been called a c**t, then that may be construed as an ad hominem, but even that may have been open to doubt!..."
FYI I do not pronounce Irish as Oirish. Perhaps you do.
It was ad hominem because it had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic and was simply Peter Moore being, well in your own word a coot.
Hope that's clear now. (My, your in a bad mood today.)
DSD
Will Vive La France do? I'm sure the best part ae ye ran doon yir Maw's leg.
Ernie
>>From now on we will call a spade a spade, a Scot a - well - what do you call a Scot? - perhaps a drunken thug! nine times out of ten you wouldn't be far off the mark.<<
Aye ah'm gonny have to hold my hands up you are great at taking the piss. After all who would write the above, then write;
>>Just in passing what was racist in any of my previous remarks?<<
Jeezo Ernie go and look up racist supremacist xenophobia. That wouldn't go nearly half as far to cover your previous remarks ya silly auld fart.
Irish Barry,
Ad hominem means 'against the man' - or a personal remark. Pete's remark was not.
While you may not speak in that idiom, there are many who do, in fact one is sitting nearby, and we are arguing as to who has the accent, him or me. I might - if I was small minded enough, take exception to Tony, Sheamus, and others calling me Ernie, surely a similar situation!
Yes I am in a bad mood today, I'm fed up with being hectored and lectured by folk who have never had to fight or strive for anything in their pitiful spoiled little lives. Who have no faith or belief in anything remotely sensible, who have little concept of responsibility, duty, or the difference between right and wrong, and more importantly, have done nothing to deserve the right to lecture or dictate to anyone, and yet they feel it their 'right' to tell the rest of us what we should do and believe, and who we should like or dislike. Long live freedom and the right to choose, to have preferences and to speak freely. They have their free speech, I want mine, unhindered by the alien idea of political correctness.
And that's just for starters! ...
Tony,
Seems you now grasp the meaning of ad hominem...:-)
Ernest:
Pete's "Oirish Barry" was gratuitous. He won't admit it. Seems you can't either.
An inability to admit to error. Seems to be something pervading ATW of late.
Irish Barry,
Come of it! I am sure you are not really as thin skinned as you would like us to believe. As Pete said, you just fancied a walk around the houses, and was making a mountain of a mole hill.
That remark was neither racist nor offensive. If you think it was, then I pity you in your small mindedness.
Political correctness - total and utter bullshit, straight out an Orwell novel! and the refuge of the feeble minded! - you wouldn't happen to be a civil servant perchance?
The "mascot" of David's religon is not a cricified man but an empty cross.
Aileen Protestantism is not a religion its a man made cult/ cults invented by Martin Luther a notorious Jew Hater who formed his own cult in the middle ages by tearing out the bits of the bible he didnt like. Herr Vance belongs to a particularly nasty brand of the cult known as Free Presbyterianism invented by the worlds best known bigot. they number around12000 and interestingly have per ca pita more convicted terrorists than any other branch of the various Prod cults.
Submariner,
Leaving aside your spectacular ignorance of Christianity, can I point out that I left the Free Presbyterian Church. So, wrong and wrong again, Impressive, even by your standards.
Interesting to see a post dripping with bigotry point the finger to anyone else.
Irish Barry -
No, my tag wasn't an ad hom.
Yes, it was gratuitous.
Don't let it spoil your life.
Also, Submariner, while I believe that David is mistaking in his religious beliefs, Protestantism is more likely to take a literal view of the Bible rather than tear bits out. A lot of the Protestant faiths are the types who believe every word of the Bible is Gospel truth (if you'll escuse the pun).
Luther was as anti-Semetic as any major figure of the day. Anti-Semitism was the norm in those days and continued to be the norm in most places until the 20th century.
Irish Barry -
By the way, it's noted that you present red herrings, deflect the thread and whine about a cheap little dig at you 24 hours after the event, all so that you can avoid any discussion of any substance on what Israel and Hamas are supposed to talk about.
You were never really serious, were you? You know they have nothing to talk about, but by repeating a dreary, unthinking mantra about jaw-jaw not war-war, you can preen and strut as a caring individual. Which is what that kind of message is all about.
Pete:
Those "24 hours" weren't prolonged by me but people like Ernest who suddenly jumped in. Glad you can admit it was a cheap little dig. You've riz in my estimation.
Your above post is more ad hominem comment. Agreed?
Seamus:
"Luther was as anti-Semetic as any major figure of the day. Anti-Semitism was the norm in those days and continued to be the norm in most places until the 20th century."
An interesting comment. It dovetails with a thought that occurred to me today. Isn't it odd that when the Jews were being persecuted and murdered throughout Europe and beyond for hundreds of years, very few Gentile voices were raised in protest. When the Third Reich was exterminating them few Gentile nations wanted to offer them refuge.
Now suddenly everyone's all pro-Israel. I wonder how much of this sudden concern for the Jewish nation stems from genuine compassion and how much from loathing of the Muslims. My enemy's enemy in other words.
"When the Third Reich was exterminating them few Gentile nations wanted to offer them refuge."
Quite frankly, how many people believed that the Germans were doing this? The first whispers about the Holocaust was by the militaries of the Allies. They were talking about their enemy. No one would have believed them. People only started believeing the Holocaust happened when they started seeing real evidence of it rather than "Military Intelligence".
"Now suddenly everyone's all pro-Israel."
Many nations are pro-Israel because they feel collectively guilty about not doing enough to prevent the Holocaust. Though I do understand your point that many of them (including the previously very anti-Semetic BNP) because the Israelis are the "front line" against Islam.