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"I do remember... the corridors of Broadcasting House were strewn with empty champagne bottles. I'll always remember that", Jane Garvey, BBC Five Live, May 10th, 2007, recalling May 2nd, 1997.
Friday, November 6, 2009 at 11:56PM "Soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" — an Arabic phrase for "God is great!" — before opening fire Thursday, said Lt. Gen. Robert Cone, the base commander. "
All very well but surely the BIG issue, the one which really concerns the BBC for example, is to ensure that Muslims are not discriminated against by those racist whites.
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David
The BBC reported this on tonight's news on BBC1 and BBC2. It seems this was an islamist terrorist atrocity.
But surely not an excuse for a kristallnacht?
Obama , so willing to call a white cop "racist" when Professor Gates was arrested, says we shouldn't "jump to conclusions" now that military men and women are injured while the shooter yells, "Allahu Akbar!"
>>It seems this was an islamist terrorist atrocity.<<
Oh, come off it, Peter!
Was this a "Christian terrorist atrocity"?
So another god-botherer causes mass slaughter in the name of his sky-god.
Romans throwing Christians to the lions
Mohammed - muslims massacre christians
Crusades - christians massacre muslims
Muslims then massacre more christians
Reformation - catholics massacre protestants
Thirty years war - see above, but add protestants massacre catholics
Ever since then - millions massacred in the name of sky-god religions or utopian political ideals (communism, fascism etc)
Common theme: utopianism.
Antidote: reality, and science. Newton, Darwin, Dawkins etc.
Maybe.
Noel
That was an atrocity carried out by christians in the name of their sky-god sanctioned morality.
No?
>>That was an atrocity carried out by christians <<
Basically, you are just sticking labels on both these incidents (I rather think in order to drag others into the blame range), because of course we all here more or less agree on what really happened.
It's hype and sensationalism to call these incidents "terrorist atrocities". Terrorism in my book involves a fair degree of conspiracy and planning and dedication to a fanatical cause. You are hardly claiming that when this Muslim eegit had been slogging his way through the army for the past 12 (!) years, spending years in college studying behavioural psychology etc. he all the time had his sights merely on this 5-minute personal Jihad at the end of 2009?
He worked his way up through the army obviously through hard work and dedication; he was promoted in rank and apparently won the confidence of his colleagues and superiors. When he came to do his deed he then had only two handguns as weapons. This is not the behaviour or the mentality of a terrorist, not even a very stupid one. There is also no reason to assume he was part of a conspiracy.
I have several theories as to the cause of this poor, misunderstood Major's
terror attackerr, incident type thingy of unclear motivation:1. He was reading a Delia Smith cookery book, and the bit where it says "take ye the peeling knife, and top and tail ye the cucumbers, wherever ye may find them" just sort of got to him. Can happen, more often than you think.
2. As a Major in the US military, he was getting a bit nervous about the prospect of fighting for the US military. Which is why he was a Major in the US military (Hmmm, I dunno, sort of too obvious, that one).
3. It was Thursday 11/5/09. And if you take the 11 and the 9 together (just bear with me here, this gets complicated) and watch the Youtube vid "Bush's inside job", you will see that there are four letters in the word "Bush", add 1 to that and you get "5", and like, well everyone can see there were 5 controlled explosions inside the WTC, which proves....err..well, let's just let the math speak for itself, huh? Bush. Five letters (plus one...no, I mean minus one)". You know what I mean, wink wink?
Nah, actually all of the above is just like me attempting to jump to totally unjustified conclusions, which is what the Banana says we mustn't do. The most probable explanation seems to be that the guy suffered from an eating disorder.
That claimed shouting is still unverified, and if it did it occur it still doesn't make this anything other than a violent madman. We had a nut shooting folks in Orlando today as well.
"But surely not an excuse for a kristallnacht?"
Like the one that happened after 9/11? Oh, wait.....
"That claimed shouting is still unverified, and if it did it occur it still doesn't make this anything other than a violent madman."
I think I said exactly that when New York was attacked on 9/11....Not.
It's clear now that Major Hassan committed a terrorist act in the name of Islam.
He had been wearing the white clothes of Shaheed (martyrdom) for several weeks, and he had recently disposed of apartment furniture. Prior to this act, Hassan spoke openly against the US. His co-worker says that he: ""He said, precisely, that maybe the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor." --- and the aggressor was clearly the United States.
from: http://www.breitbart.tv/co-worker-ft-hood-gunman-made-outlandish-comments-condemning-us-foreign-policy/
Why was this disloyal man allowed to remain a commissioned officer?
because Patty in the US people are suposedly allowed to hold what ever political opinion they want, no matter how unpopular it is. You people shout this from the roof tops but yet your history clearly shows this is not the truth, you show this in your last comment
As for disposing of his furniture it would seem to be a reasonable thing to do for some one being posted over seas
Stop the anti-muslim hyperbole, this is the work of a nutter regardless of his choice in god bothering delusion
>>It's clear now that Major Hassan committed a terrorist act in the name of Islam.<<
Patty, do you agree with Peter that the murder of those two abortion workers was a "terrorist act in the name of Christianity" ?
This argument is all a bit semantic really. Of course this man commited a terrorist attack , and clearly he was influenced by his attachment to Islam and his worldview all mixed up with whatever personal demons were going on in his mind, but it seems obvious (unless we learn otherwise) that this was not an organised attack by an Islamic terrorist group. People can and do use religious attachment or sectarian or racial identity to carry out atrocities. It does not mean that religion or racial group or nation in whose name they kill is to blame. The real scandal as Patty mentions above is why this man's behaviors and utterances weren't investigated and acted on by superiors sooner.
Peter
I tend to agree with your summary on "sky gods" except that religion WAS the political throughout history. These days there is only one religion which insists on remaining political.
There is only one religion with a whole range of crazies who can teach whatever they like (complete and extreme gender inequality, death, racism, mysoginy, the death of gays) from their pulpits without anyone being able to say anything to criticise lest they be considered racists. There is only one religion where the immediate rush is to sympathise with fellow followers of that faith rather than immediately criticise a religion which provides rich pickings for an educated Major in the US military no doubt inspired by the Taliban antics against British troops last week. There is only one religion where its leaders actively call upon followers to act in its name violently and robustly and slur members of other religions as kuff'r inviting divisiveness, mistrust and hatred within their own rank and file. And thus one religion massively providing fertile ground not for the odd random act as everyone likes to pretend this is - but consistent and continual "random acts" around the globe against kuff'r and non compliant muslims alike using fear, intimidation and violence. All of which is invited by the most vociferous and loudest voices within Islamic Leadership itself. You don't hear the Pope calling for people to murder anti -abortionists. You DO hear Islamic leaders calling for murder and insisting on divisiveness. The sum total of all this action and hatred IS terrorism. Islamic terrorism.
That it has reached its hideous tentacles inside the US army to its highest ranks is a massive issue. That the military authorities were too scared to take action against Hasan despite his praise for suicide bombings is a major worry in exactly the same way as it would be right to question the British forces working alongside rogue Taliban.
No doubt the next few weeks will be filled with more platitudes to Islam in a pathetic and desperate attempt to curry favour with the world's fastest growing "faith" for fear of being castigated as racist or extreme. Just how many more people have to die so that people who favour this politically correct idiocy can believe themselves to be politically virtuous? For a good few years I hoped like hell that I was wrong and that it is not the whole faith itself that needed a massive kick up the arse. But I WAS wrong. And it does children like this one below NO favours at all pretending this is not an issue as these people hijack their whole faith and violently act in its name. They storm around steeped in their violent sense of group self righteousness with either their cock or an AK47 in one hand and the Koran in the other mitigating their brand of morality and power politics.
Perhaps if Major Islam here had watched stuff like this instead of versing himself in net based Islamist propaganda he would have questioned who the bad guys actually are eg the ones hijacking his precious faith since way before 9/11 and to this day in their global terrorist spree. The stupid murderous piece of shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZG5IdnJn4I
Alison
A very good and strong comment with a lot of hard truths in it. There is a major problem within Islam today which needs to be dealt with and I don't particularly like the - to my mind - suffocating nature of it's strictures in general, but it is not going to go away and it has too many followers on this planet for the rest of us to ever to hope we can treat it and it's adherents all as an enemy to be defeated. Saying that Islam is incompatible with life in non-Muslim countries is not the way to proceed and defeat the murderous and hateful proportion of it. Encouraging and accepting the quiet moderate populations who practise their faith privately and do not seek to impose on others is the way forward. I don't think it's impossible to develop a dominant majority and genuinely liberal Muslim culture which will pose no problems to 'infidels' . It is indeed what the world will have to do as the other option - destroying Islam completely , is not feasible.
Thanks.
That little girl in the video is part of the silent 'majority' ( I question their strength in numbers these days). I watch her pray, dream and hope for the future of her country and dont see her use her faith to shape those dreams. To me she is a real muslim. It wont be long before that faith is fully hijacked in that part of the world precisely because we INSIST on believing that that faith is political and socio-economic, just as the crazies want. With the full ramifications that has for our multi culti havens too.
I know I'm too close to the story to be objective, but it infuriates me when the left jumps to the defense of Muslims that MIGHT be harmed in reprisals, instead of concentrating on the ACTUAL dead and wounded of the ACTUAL attack. Anti muslim reprisals just don't occur here.
And hey Alison!
Charles
Correct.
Just like we were supposed to be worried about anti Muslim riots after 9/11 or anti Korean violence after Virginia Tech. Lots of media people here and abroad simply don't know this country very well.
A story from NY-
An Afghan ran a fast-food truck catering to construction workers. A couple of days after 9/11, the biggest bruiser of the construction crew came up to the Afghan and gave him a card with his mobile phone number. His only words were " If anyone f***s with you, you give me a call ". That was the entire conversation. True story.
He never had to call
Peter, who or what 'sanctions' your morality?
You're little anti-religious rant is an over-simplification of history. You bleat along with all the other fundamental atheists.
Tell me, what meaning has science ever satisfactorily described or given to being? Furthermore, you fail to understand that caricaturing a belief in a god by using 'sky-god' consigns your argument to the informal fallacy dustbin.
So following your poor rhetoric, you seemed to have forgotten the slaughter of humans justified by science, enlightenment, rationalism, secularism, democracy, capitalism, communism and even human rights. God doesn't feature in any of these cases. Many will kill to promote or defend any dearly held value, whether religious, economic, political, social, or cultural.
Loads of info coming in re the US Major
here's one I found:-
"His name appears on radical Internet postings. A fellow officer says he fought his deployment to Iraq and argued with soldiers who supported U.S. wars. He required counseling as a medical student because of problems with patients.
There are many unknowns about Nidal Malik Hasan, the man authorities say is responsible for the worst mass killing on a U.S. military base. Most of all, his motive.
For six years before reporting for duty at Fort Hood, Texas, in July, the 39-year-old Army major worked at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center pursuing his career in psychiatry, as an intern, a resident and, last year, a fellow in disaster and preventive psychiatry. He received his medical degree from the military's Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md., in 2001."
I thought Alison's article was very good, and laid out the fundamentals of the problem we face.
During WW2 the US Government interned all Japanese Americans, because they were worried they might work from within to destroy America.
And in Britain, in both wars any person with a "foreign" sounding name or European ancestry was regarded with suspicion.
I think it was all about "fith columnists."
(I had a relative who got thrown out of a northern pub because his friends came from the 'wrong' Ireland!)
Were all the Romanians encouraged to leave Belfast recently bad people? I don't know, but their community as a whole certainly made a pretty negative impression on the folks there.
Mahons keeps making the point that we mustn't tar everybody with the same brush. He provides examples of Muslim soldiers proudly serving in the US and elsewhere.
He is right.
There are always men of good will to be found everywhere in every culture.
That still doesn't mean people like me who are concerned about Islam's impact on the West are wrong.
Mahons, I don't know how it is in your world, but I just don't see long lines of people eager to emigrate to even the wealthiest of Muslim nations..
Plenty headed this way though....
Ask yourself why!
Danny Boy - I assume it is our freedom and our alcohol.
I don't find the areas of the world where Muslims emigrate from to be destinations I would choose to live it. They tend to be primitive in attitudes and accomodations, undemocratic, and damned hot.
I don't find the religion itself to be inspiring, and the rather violent and unprogressive beliefs that accompany it offputting. The appear to have the worst clergy in the World, which says a lot.
I also have many reservations of about those places in the World where atheism reigns. It takes a lot to make Russia a worse place to live, but the Communists managed it.
I much prefer our Western Civilization, and believe it to be the best the World has to offer. Among its ideals, if not always among its practices, is the idea of tolerance and equal opportunity. And to me that Western hope is extending to people of all faiths.
It IS our freedom rather than our alcohol!
I am sure you would agree with me that there aspects of our Western culture that fill you with despair, and you can understand why observant religious people of all faiths are shocked at what goes on.
That our politicians no longer recognise that they are in power to represent OUR, not THEIR interests.
But for all I find distasteful and debasing about my culture, I still believe that it can be changed.
Islam is locked into refusing to look at itself critically, and that is coupled with a belief that it is THE religion that will ultimately dominate the world.
For my sins I have visited many countries. I have lived and worked amongst Arabs and Jews. Even now I do not think of myself as an "armchair warrior.."
You are right Mahons, there are good people in every culture, but they tend not to be the fanatics with guns..
Where you are wrong is in believing that "tolerance of difference" has no limits and no consequences.
Peter,
"That was an atrocity carried out by christians in the name of their sky-god sanctioned morality."
Who (apart from you) believes in "sky gods"??
There ain't any sky gods, but there are however, millions of people who accept that bearing in mind all the mysteries of what we DO know, there might be a God who exists outside of Time and Space. What they disagree about is who He/She/It is...
But I am sure you know..
I have never understand Peter's obsession with talking about "sky gods".
He went to the same school as Erik von Daniken..
PS
I just heard the lads ARE on their way..
What I meant to say aileen is, "MAYBE he went to the same school as....."
...was that the doorbell?!!!
Danny
They are only bringing pizza ;o)
Alison -
Just how many more people have to die so that people who favour this politically correct idiocy can believe themselves to be politically virtuous?
Exactly, and the answer is - they don't care.
All that matters is their need to feel good about themselves and they'll sacrifice any number of lives for their fix.
Pete
What are you on about ?
Jonathan
You seem to be an intelligent person, but your comment at 4.22 pm needs to be demolished for the bigoted superstitious crap that it is. So here goes:
Tell me, what meaning has science ever satisfactorily described or given to being?
Check out Copernicus, Gallileo, Newton and Darwin. They explain a lot about why we are here on this rocky planet, which is (as I'm sure you know) a mere speck of dust in the cosmos.
So following your poor rhetoric, you seemed to have forgotten the slaughter of humans justified by science, enlightenment, rationalism, secularism, democracy, capitalism, communism and even human rights.
No I haven't. My comment attacked communism and fascism - maybe your blind bigotry caused you to miss that?
Try reading the comment before going off on a rant.
The greatest catalyst for evil amongst humanity is not religion or political ideology or race or nationality. It is power. The ideological justifications for wicked behavior are just excuses. Humans can be evil bastards and when given the coat of protection that power offers them sadly they will often prove that case.