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Sunday, August 12, 2007 at 02:59PM This is a very interesting video that is worth watching. It features a Sikh gentleman called Rajinder Singh who has some very interesting things to say about Islam, the UK, the Labour Party and the partition of India. My thanks to those who brought this to my attention and sorry about the delay in posting it - thanks to BNP Member for explaining how to do it!
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a very wise and smart man he shoild be lecturing befor the politicians of both of our governments.
It's a shame that the majority of the people even on this site won't take the time to listen to what he has to say....
Well done David!
I urge all of you here to ignore your MSM-created bias of the organisation that created this interview, open your minds and listen to this wise, wise man.
Then come back and tell me how he is wrong.
Throwing the interests of this nation to the wind.
Very good comments on the midset of labour.
'If these people don't wake up they'll get blown up, tomorrow may be to late.'
Very well said. Good insights taken from India.
A brilliant interview.
This gentleman speaks from vast experiance. He has seen the cruelty muslims do in the name of `their' religion. His words should be taken very, very serious. And the British people should wake-up and get rid of PC..ect and the labour party before its to late.
An honourable man with a message of warning to the British people. He speaks truly of the weak and corrupt Labour movement and government, but not of the weak and corrupt Conservative and Liberal parties, which are just as complicit in surrendering our country to Islam. He is correct in the trading by the muslims of their block vote for a seperate power base in this country. Western democratic parties always reckon on their own benefit in their time in power, and to hell with the future (peace in our time). This is the fatal weakness of democracy.
Harold,
Couldn't agree more.
I can certainly sympathise with his view on the British imposed partition of his country. But it is a shame to see this moderate reasonable man being exploited by a racist party who up would kick him out if they had their way.
"So what are real Sikh leaders saying? In an amazingly act of solidarity, Dabinderjit Singh of the British Sikh Federation and Sikh Secretariat and all other Sikh leaders of all the other major sikh bodies such as the Sikh Federation have systematically rejected any links with the BNP and other right-wing extremist racist groups like the NF, VHP, Arya Samaj and RSS. They especially remember Nick Griffin was a leading figure in the National Front in the 1980s when Sikhs were often attacked by his gangs, particularly around the time of the prominent Mandla case.
In 1998, Nick Griffin received a nine-month prison sentence, suspended for two years for inciting racial hatred. This related to Holocaust denial and racist views expressed in his publication The Rune. The Sikhs particularly feel much sympathy for the Jewish community in having to endure such despicable views as the Sikh community have suffered oppression by the Moghuls, British and now ethnic cleansing under the Hindu majority in India."
H94
Excellent comment. Let's not forget the racist roots of the BNP even if they are trying to emulate Sinn Fein by dressing in suits these days.
As to the interview, I agree with this sikh guy 100%. We need to wake up to the threat posed by islamism and stop trying to appease it. I have a vivid memory of the Taliban destroying buddhist statues in Afghanistan which had been there for thousands of years - that's how tolerant the jihadists are of competing religions.
Griffin was certainly a problem child in the eighties. Well, a wild young man. He wasn't over quick on the uptake in the 90's either. However, it would also be fair to give this Sikh man his due and say that he's intelligent enough not to be anybody's dupe. He looks like a man with an historical memory and nothing to lose- one of the reasons why older people are so great. Take David for instance... :-).
Seriously, he's right on the button on certain points- for example there's such an ignorance about the colonial history which in a way this "Jihad" we're experiencing is all about. The only reflex people know is that it's all "our fault", when in fact we have a complex history and an analysis which seeks to blame us for the world's ills is so ignorant that the only way it can work is if we're even more ignorant.
Perhaps the common ideology which he mentions about Labour is the one which always blames Britain, and appeases its enemies. It's alive and kicking, even if Blair was adept at keeping it at bay.
Henry,
Check your history: the British didn’t impose the partition of India at all (despite the BBC inference). In fact Mountbatten deeply resisted it along with Ghandi. The Muslims demanded it and, as usual, with violence and the threat of more to come, got their way.
Nick Griffin got a nine-month sentence for predicting that there would eventually be a terrorist attack in Britain from British-born immigrants; and it didn’t take long to prove him right. The MSM don’t comment on that and I’ll bet you didn’t know that either (it was a major part of the prosecution’s case).
He also said that Islam is ‘a wicked and vicious religion’. Study the analysis of the Qur’an and then tell me why that statement is wrong or racist? I bet you haven’t ever seen a copy!
Meanwhile we have Muslim preachers, still, as we write, preaching hatred (Channel 4, Undercover Mosque) and not only getting away with it, but with our PC-infested police and criminal justice system, turning the tables on a laudable and well-overdue documentary.
Rajinder Sigh was not exploited in any way; he told it how it is. And your quote:
…is disingenuous and hugely misleading as you make it look as if this quote comes in the context of this interview. I notice you don’t cite your source, which in fact is an aricle following the 2001 Oldham riots. A lot has happened since then young Henry.
www.sikhlionz.com/sikhsrejectbnp.htm
Ed Thomas you are absolutely correct:
NSE
Don't confuse contempt for the BNP with support for Islam. Both the BNP and Islamic fundies are looking for a conflict. You are two sides of the same coin both subscribing to the politics of hate. A plague on both your houses.
It is for democrats to ensure that neither of you get your evil clutches into the communities you are trying to establish a parasitic presence in.
Rhetoric and no substance Henry: you didn’t address any of my points.
But then you have grown up in a land that is predominated by leftist, anti-Western, anti everything - apart from multi-culti Lalaland.
I know you won’t like it but try here:
Unlike you, I cite my sources:
http://www.yougov.com/archives/pdf/omi060101069_1.pdf”
You wrote:
Horseshit! I pay monumental taxes of my income (65%+) to support them! Believe me, I have no wish to go anywhere near these “communities” let alone establish a parasitic presence.
When Henry94 says a plague on both your houses....
that IS the problem. There ARE only two houses to choose from right now: Islam, or the only party in Britain that wants to stop it, the BNP.
What other choice IS there?
Bernard; Prevarication.
NSE; Excellent posts.
Henry94 - I have to disagree with you on the BNP's policies being those of hate. They seem to be rather more one of love for a Britain under attack from Internationalist Marxists. The only hatred I've ever come across from anything I've ever read, seen or heard coming from the BNP is that directed at the far left politicians who have foisted massive levels of immigration and the failed concept of multiculturism on this country. Indeed they seem to be rather insistent that immigrants should not be blamed for the situation we now find ourselves in.
Henry '94, there is no moral equivalence between the BNP and the Islamists. If you think that, you think a lot more of Nick Griffin than I do.
Griffin's record certainly has its faults, and his followers can be a dangerously batty- insecure people with narrow analyses of the world around them (eg. Cottage and co.), but there is no coherent approach there. Listen in to the global jihad and you will find one, and the people involved are often fully integrated individuals with high education and money behind them. Finding equivalence there is what makes the Jihadis laugh, and actually gives me a chuckle too.
Actually I realise above I may have been too disparaging of BNP supporters- I only know that there has proven to be a dangerously batty fringe, the type that hoards chemicals that could make bombs. I also know that Griffin has said some things which any sane person should regret. However, I do think BNP supporters often have a genuine and practical concern for Britain, which is more than a lot of political types.
I have to disagree with you on the Nazis' policies being those of hate. They seem to be rather more one of love for a Germany under attack from Internationalist Marxists.
HG
Lebensraum!
LOL!
GODWIN'S LAW ALERT!
Mr Smith
If the cap fits...
Hugh - attempting to equate the BNP with German Nazi's is facile rubbish. I should, of course, have added internationalist capitalists to the list of those eager to destroy Britain through mass immigration.
NSE
"A YouGov poll in April 2006 found that the majority of Britons agreed with many BNP policies, when unaware they were associated with the BNP"
That simply demonstrates the contempt the people have for the BNP. Even when they claim to advocate policies they agree with the vast majority of decent English people won't vote for scum.
The contempt of the voters an insurmountable political problem for you and you will never break free of it. You will remain a minor irritant electing the occasional bigot where you manage to prey on local fears and become a short-term home for protest votes.
Like I said you are a symptom of the problem not part of the solution. If you elected an MP I might be concerned. But that day will never come.
lol.
Actually, I think the main reason why the vast majority of the electorate won't vote for the BNP is to do with the nature of our "first past the post" voting system. Potential BNP voters think "well, if I vote BNP it'll be a wasted vote, as there's no way the candidate is going to win. Even if 1,000 people out of this constituency of 100,000 vote for him/her, we won't get 1% of the share of MP's in the commons; we'll get nothing at all. So I'll vote for one of the "big three" parties, the one which most matches my views, at least there's a chance of that candidate getting in".
Tom
Th reason why most people won't vote for the BNP is that most people view them , stereotypically and no doubt exaggeratedly as a bunch of thuggish white 'skinheads' whose only appeal is based on encouraging white people to fight the 'blacks' .
Yes, I agree, that is also a reason why people won't vote for them Colm. But whose fault is that? The fault is that us "blog-readers" are still a tiny minority; most people allow the likes of the BBC and The Sun to act as their eyes and ears on current affairs.
Henry94, you are a progressive spouting generalized liberal drivel talking points.
"Henry94, you are a progressive spouting generalized liberal drivel talking points."
I'll second Daphne on that one.
BNP are white supremacists.
They are a sick bunch.
eh mate? u sound like a racist. Get a life.
Bart sounds like fag.
Barf, "u" sound like Pickled Politics will suit your tastes more than ATW. You'll be right at home there.
Or send him over to Daily Kos Tom, same crap.
LOL, I should have pointed him to LGF but that would have been cruel.
He wouldn't have got it Tom!
Daphne:
"Bart sounds like fag."
How can you be so wrong? Bart is clearly a genius. After all, he just encapsulated the entirety of the standard leftist response to any criticism of immigration/multiculturalism in three sentences:
"BNP are white supremacists. They are a sick bunch. u sound like a racist."
Does any argument on this issue from any leftist ever amount to anything more than that? If so, I've yet to hear it. But Bart says it so much more concisely than most.
No, No, FR - he's just a fag...get over your pc ways dude!
These definitions ought to be standardised on Wikipedia or some place, I always think:
The conservative: "I think that....."
The left's response: "You're a -----ist, end of debate".
LOL,
Daphne,
Tom - now that was seriously funny!
Hey Miss Hannah, how're you shaking this evening?
Not so bad Daphne I missed you thought you'd gone on holiday.
Still around Hannah, not as active lately. The sun is shining and the kids are still out of school, not as much free time for ATW. We are going to the coast late next week for awhile...I'll probably have internet withdrawal and be a complete bitch. :-)
We did a nice spanish language thread on Friday that got fairly smutty, I kept looking for you to join in....I know you've got some serious stones that would have kept it hopping good!
Daphne
"Henry94, you are a progressive spouting generalized liberal drivel talking points."
I suppose that compared to paki and fag which are words the BNP supporters on here like to use then those are mild epitaphs even if you don't understand them. But the BNP like all fascists are simply state socialists.
This is from their 2005 election manifesto
"The BNP stands for a British national economy and is opposed to globalism, international socialism, laissez-faire capitalism and economic liberalism. We stand for rebuilding a strong national economy operating solely in the national interest. We favour as much national self sufficiency as is practicably possible. We will trade with other nations when it is the best interests of our people and nation to do so."
Mere ignorance looks less shabby compared to actual evil but if the BNP ever saw power the crackers who were left behind would soon envy the pakis, niggers, yids and fags who had been lucky enough to be kicked out.
That's the trouble with lack of education. It covers all subjects.
It's a shame to see this site which is run by a man who is genuinely right-wing, pro-Israel and economically literate attracting so many BNP supporters.
Daphne wrote & Smith seconded:
"Henry94, you are a progressive spouting generalized liberal drivel talking points"
ROFL!! Henry94 is a decent right winger, and IIRC such a liberal that he attends the traditional latin mass!
I am sure he will be surprised as I am to hear himself labelled a liberal other than the classic kind.
"It's a shame to see this site which is run by a man who is genuinely right-wing, pro-Israel and economically literate attracting so many BNP supporters" .
Couldn't agree more. Its a pity the right has also stooped to a new low imitating the left. Youre a 'fag' and the other mindnumbing responses are styled on the current US trend eg insults chucked around as political 'debate' for as long as possible. See Coulter and Co for details. Any way we can get back to how this site used to run, David? It was excellent.
Observer,
I am glad that you liked ATW at previous times though don't recall any praise coming our way from you. I ran the Singh interview because I think it was genuinely interesting. I couldn't care less where it came from why I even run BBC clips! I am not a BNP supporter, in fact I don't support any political party on the basis I believe most politicians to be liars. If BNP people come here, that's fine. Sinn Fein people come here too and I do my best to be courteous to them. Henry is an example of this, let him confirm or otherwise my view.
There is an important debate to be had on the future of the United Kingdom and I am content for those who care about this to come here and debate. Isn't that what a civilised site should be all about - a plurality of views?
I'm sorry if you and Henry feel ATW is being taken over by the BNP. It's not by I will let British people have their say. I don't like the use of slang, as I made clear, but by the same token I don't want to be too precious (Hi Bernard) and I want the matters of substance to be thoroughly covered.
>>Sinn Fein people come here too and I do my best to be courteous to them.<<
Good example. It's the view itself that counts, not where it happens to come from.
Observer,
I have to disagree, the trend on this site is that certain brits resort to name calling with no willingness to address any substance in their debate. It happens quite often anymore. and they usually do it in a cheerleading fasion.
Hey Troll,
Not this Brit! I think I remain consistent in my advancing years!