Ban the Koran?
Thursday, August 9, 2007 at 08:47PM Earlier in the week David wrote about the debate currently taking place in Germany as to whether Mein Kampf should continue to be banned. Now, I read that the Dutch politician Geert Wilders has precipitated a similar debate in his own country, after calling for a ban on the Koran, which he directly compared to Hitler's 'magnum opus'. Writing in the left-wing De Volkskrant newspaper, he said:
This book encourages murder and hatred, and therefore does not fit within our society. If Muslims want to participate in our society, they have to distance themselves from this Koran. I can see that would be too much to ask for, but we have to stop making concessions.
Predictably, the call for a ban has outraged Muslims, and their friends on the left. A lawyer and minor politician named Els Lucas has called for Wilders to be prosecuted for the ludicrous-sounding but apparently real crime of "insulting a section of the community", while De Volkskrant itself appeared to question Wilders' sanity. As the Dutch blogger Klein Verzet points out, the rhetoric now being employed by the left is similar to that which they formerly directed against Pim Fortuyn. And we all know what happened there...
So, should the Koran be banned? Personally, I think not. While I believe that a ban on the Koran would be more easily justified than a ban on Mein Kampf - after all, Mein Kampf is now only believed by a handful of sartorially-challenged lunatics, whereas the Koran is revered by a billion sartorially-challenged lunatics, many of whom are actively trying to destroy Western civilisation, rendering a ban on the Koran equivalent, not to banning Mein Kampf today, when it poses no threat, but to banning Mein Kampf at the height of World War Two - I think that the Koran is one of the great weapons against the Islamic threat, and banning it would prove counterproductive. After all, why would we want to deny people the chance to see the full, ugly reality of Islam, abundantly demonstrated in its holy book?
But Wilders is raising an important point, when he says that "we have to stop making concessions". As documented repeatedly on this blog and on others, Western governments seem to acquiesce to every demand that is made by a Muslim. Often, this results in the stifling of free speech. Threatening them with the banning of their holy book is rather a nice way of warning them that the ability to push others around with over-the-top demands cuts both ways. Maybe someone should try it here...
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Reader Comments (36)
I say don't ban the Koran.
Ban Islam.
I'd go a step further David and ban all religions but only from the workplace, schools, hospitals and other government buildings, the TV and media, public places and anywhere else that you couldn't call a private residence or a registered place of worship.
I'd also ban kebabs....and France
Banning the Koran is the only logical result of any ban on Mein Kampf. Whatever justifications are used for the ban on Mein Kampf would surely also apply to the Koran. That said FR is right, it shouldn't be banned. In fact I only wish that more leftist apoogists for Islam would read it and fully comprehend exactly what is contained within it.
Only slightly off topic I highly recommend watching the video linked to below. I was alerted to it via the Bournmouth Nationalists website and it's essential viewing. If only more voices such as Rajinder Singh's were heard today rather than the endless griping and whining from the "Muslim community'.
For some reason the comment wouldn't post with the link included. Good job really as it wasn't the Bornmouth Nationalists website that the video was on but BNP and Me. Still essential viewing though.
http://bnpandme.blogspot.com/2007/08/heres-something-many-of-you-might-not.html#links
http://sioe.wordpress.com/
Ban the koran? You're joking!
I'm not doing too well tonight. That should, of course, be the Bournemouth Nationalist. Please watch the video.
BN
What's wrong with Kebabs. Thay are lovely. You can't beat a good Doner.
I'm with you BN. Kebabs are awful. I still have a terrible memory of the last time I ate one of those horrendous things. Face down over the... I'll spare you the details.
GA
That's the tragedy, most people are ratarsed when eating them, and unlike us sober afficionados, they don't appreciate the exquisite blend of ingreients that make the Kebab one of the most satisfying of lifes culinary pleasures.
No fear Colm; I had a Doner Kebab years ago and never forgot the dire rear it gave me.
Well known source of food poisoning.
I know they are dodgy Bernard with the meat often hanging about on that spit for months, , and I have had a few 'dire rear' moments with them also but I still love them.
For a nice doner kebab you need to go to Dublin and eat in Abrakebabra. I think I am the only person who ever had one sober and they are actually quite nice.
However the kebabs in the UK resemble what you would find at the top of an over filled swing bin, shoved in a pitta. I have never managed to eat one, sober or ratarsed.
Frank
Ive had a Dublin Abrakebabra one. Didn't like it.It was bland. No, for the authentic kebab, you need a good old London inner city Greek or Turkish greasy spoon.
I had a doner once (I was sober), the meat was bland, the bread tasted stale and the lettuce was limp. It didn't really float my boat. Considering recent events, given the choice I would rather eat the pavement (drunk or sober) than dine on a doner.
There's something about that last comment, BN, that makes it sound like the lyrics of a song (rap).
Noel
Dod you miss out the letter c ? ;)
Dave's just done a video: would it be the right time to ask whether he'll demo a greek recipe?
Did anyone watch the video? You won't regret it.
Now you had me searching for where I mistakenly wrote " unt", Colm!
I wasn't referring to Dave's I might add.
http://bnpandme.blogspot.com/2007/08/heres-something-many-of-you-might-not.html#links
If I was a Muslim and someone compared the Koran to Mein Kampf I probably wouldn't be greatly pleased either.
"Ban Islam"
I thought more of you David.
Colm
Are you referring to my "lyrical" genius or the average quality of a Friday night Döner?
The Koran has nothing quotably in it.
But Mein Kampf has plenty; much of it relevent to today:
The State does not fear a powerless and purposeless people. It knows how to make it seem that it alone holds the secret of peace and tranquillity while at the same time cautiously and unflinchingly conquering one position after another while public attention is being diverted to other matters; these tactics are calculated absolutely on the sum of human gullibility."
On the subject of kebabs, the Kebab Kid on New King's Road in Fulham does very nice ones. I've been there quite regularly since I found out about it, often when completely sober. They don't do Doners, though, on the grounds that the meat used for them is of insufficient quality.
There's also a place off Tottenham Court Road in Central London which does decent kebabs, but I forget what it's called.
Other than these two places, though, I tend to avoid kebabs, after reading a report about a guy who found cockroaches in his Doner.
FR
I have eaten Kebabs from 2 places on Tottenham Court Road. One is quite a big and popular place on the corner of TCR and Oxford St, the other is smaller and abit further up towards Warren St. I enjoyed both Kebabs and they were Doners but I can't remember the shop names.
Flaming Lip - it's not David's post. Get your stuff straight.
Kebabs!!?!
I have no sympathy for muslims after 9/11. Didn't think about them much beforehand, watched the behaviour afterwards, and am feeling done overall with the entire group.
Banning any book is counterproductive. But I like the point he's trying to make.
IDENTIFYING MUSLIMS
Useful site for identifying, avoiding and boycotting possible Muslims. There are many strange and exotic names reported in the media, and nowadays even English working-class chavs have strange and exotic names. But terrorists' first names names stay the same through the centuries. If you want to know whether a business owner or criminal reported in the local paper is ONE OF THEM then check out their first name in http://www.babynamesfamily.com/boy_baby_names.html
Positive identification will show up as 'MUSLIM' in the ORIGIN column.
Of course the fact that a child was baptised by his parents with a Muslim name doesn't necessarily make him a Muslim now. But it does flag a possible problem.
Daphne
To be fair 'Flaming Lips' was actually referring to a comment that David did post, not the actual writer of the thread,
I would like to think 'Baby names' comment was meant to be satirical.
When I lived in Chiswick many years ago, there used to be a great kebab house just outside Turnham Green tube station. 'Twas a regular stopping off point for me on the way home from the late shift at work. Don't know if it's still there, and if so, if it's still any good.
But back to the substance of the post, how would any "ban" on either the Koran or Islam itself be implemented? David, you call for Islam to be banned in your first comment, maybe you could fill us in on how this could be done?
Excellent link, Guardian Apostate Rajinder Singh interview. I agree with every word and sentiment.
Somehow, this didn’t make it into the BBC’s current extensive coverage of the partitioning of India. I can’t imagine why!
I urge anyone who is interested in ATW to look at the video.
And I totally concur with David: ban Islam - or at least heavily restrain it, as Kemal Ataturk did when the Turkish Republic was formed.
Les,
You ask:
In exactly the same way as the BNP is treated today; by banning Muslims the use of public buildings; by banning police officers and civil servants from being Muslims; by applying the same rigour and prosecution to Islamic hate-speeches as is now done to the BNP; and by the MSM ignoring everything that they say (unless it’s a chance to demonise them); demanding the resignation of any MP who quotes the same statistics that Muslims do (the recent Nicholas Soames example). Need I go on?
"For a nice doner kebab you need to go to Dublin and eat in Abrakebabra. I think I am the only person who ever had one sober and they are actually quite nice."
Frank, Abrakebabra is shockingly bad.
For quality kebabs (for they do exist) try Sultan on George's St or Zaytoon on Parliament St (the much missed Oregano at Portobello was an old favourite.
Banning books is always a bad idea. I like Justice Holmes belief in the free market of ideas.
Zaytoon is definitely my favourite.
Good recommendations there Reg. Both serve a pretty decent kebab.
Wilders is right. The Koran clearly constitutes "hate speech," and we know what European nations can do to those convicted of "hate speech."
Check out this frightening site:
The Truth About Islam
http://islamwatchers.blogspot.com
Any site or article that calls itself 'the truth about *** or ***watch is likely to be anything but.