BNP "lies" exposed...as truth!
Sunday, August 12, 2007 at 12:35AM Following on from the tragic and sickening story of the life and death of Charlene Downes, The Times reports on another case of middle-aged "Asian" (i.e. Muslim) men sexually abusing underage white girls:
A hidden world in which Asian men “groom” young white girls for sex has been exposed with the jailing yesterday of two men for child-abuse offences.
Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, were each jailed for five years and eight months after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.
Both men pleaded guilty at Preston Crown Court to abduction, sexual activity with a child and the supply of a controlled drug.
Despite being told explicitly by police and social services that both girls were under-age and should be returned to care, the men picked up one girl from a children’s home in Blackburn and then drove on to collect her friend who was living in temporary foster care in North Wales.
Naveed, from Burnley, gave one girl the first of five Ecstasy tablets at a motorway service station before having sex with her on the back seat of the car while the group drove back to Lancashire. The court was told that the two men later took the girls to an address in Blackburn where Hussain, from Blackburn, had sex with the second girl and gave her a total of ten Ecstasy tablets.
[...]The trial came amid growing concern at the attitudes of some Asian men towards white girls which campaigners for women claim few people wish to address.
Parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labelled racist.
Ann Cryer, a Labour member of the Commons Home Affairs Select Committee, has been at the forefront of attempting to tackle the problem after receiving complaints from mothers in her constituency about young Asian men targeting their under-age daughters.
Although campaigners claim that hundreds of young girls are already being passed around men within the Asian community for sex, she said that attempts to raise the problem with community leaders had met with little success, with most of them being in a state of denial about it.
Rather interestingly, Ann Cryer also says that:
I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.
Wow. It's almost as though their society was institutionally racist!
Incidentally, I seem to recall that the BNP have been going on and on about this issue for years, and have been repeatedly accused of "spreading racist myths" by groups such as the confused far-leftists of Unite Against Fascism. Now, however, it seems that the wicked Nazis may have been on to something after all. How unexpected...
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'Asian', eh? They were oriental? No? Ohhhhhhh. Moslems. I am not surprised - and you have to admit that there are scads of unbelievably stupid girls to be had. There are plenty of naughty white girls out there, too.
I agree with you about the bad press on the BNP. From what I've read, I do not think that the party is that horrible. They're just saying things that aren't supposed to be said, things that many people do not want to hear.
How dare the BNP speak the unspeakable, they defend the people others would rather forget, the BNP's unfashionable style of getting their message across has been clamed as racist. But until the government of what ever persuasion and until the liberal left clime out of their ivory towers and listen then lets hope the BNP continue to grow and speak the unspeakable.
To make a serious allegation against a group of people and then to take a single example as proof of the allegation is of course racist. It's the very definition of racism and we should reject it with contempt.
As a Catholic I am all too aware that child-abuse is a problem that is not confined to any one religion. It is a criminal matter and not a political one.
The BNP have nothing to offer in the debate about the direction western society must now take. But by failing to address issues of real concern the British government will give the BP the opportunity to grow among the ranks of the uneducated and the backward.
It is a symptom of the problem and not part of the solution. Don't vote for them.
Henry -
Oh listen to yourself. The BNP have nothing to offer in the debate about the direction western society must now take. The British people will decide that, at least until the BNP is banned, as it will be one day.
Dropping 'western society' (foreign countries can govern themselves) what have you got to say about the directin of Britain?
Oh, i saw this on ITV news, and i blew my top. Did anyone here hear ann cryers attempts to make us FEEL SORRY FOR THE SCUM THAT DO IT?
We made a thing of this grooming ages ago, many years, and the police were forced to set up a 'special unit' to deal with it amid the publicity. When the media went away the unit was shut down with NO ARRESTS MADE. But ITV news made out as though 'WE were "exploiting" the situation. BASTARDS!
Its only down to us that ann-bastard-cryer was made to acknowledge the problem at all - she previously refused point blank - and that the police had to make what turned out to be a token gesture to attend to the problem.
Also, read this from ann-dhimmi-cryer again;
I think there is a problem with the view Asian men generally have about white women. Their view about white women is generally fairly low. They do not seem to understand that there are white girls as moral and as good as Asian girls.
Read that again - you will see that she rates asians higher than her own people. There is no other way to read it. She thinks that there are some native girls that are as good as asian girls. Its like she uses foreigners as the standard by which she measures us by.
And henry, WE are doing something, YOU are doing nothing. How DARE you put us down. HOW DARE YOU PUT US DOWN! The ONLY REASON WE ARE ATTACKED by those in power is because we are DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE STATE OF BRITAIN, we are MAKING A DIFFERENCE.
Labours ann cryer spent all her time on ITV news sympathising with paki's and saying how hard it was for paki's to get girlfriends on a segment about paki paedophiles raping our girls, and you bemoan the BNP? You cock.
BNP Member,
I fully understand your anger but referring to people as "pakis" let's you down.
BNP Member
Congratulations on proving so effectively how positive and respectable the BNP now are with your use of the term 'Paki's' but you should at least get the word right. In your last paragraph the correct term is 'Pakis' (plural) not Paki's (posessive).
David,
But what if they are Pakistani? The Times has run three articles on this, one of which quoting a local imam. Which suggests these filth are ROPers. The names and backgrounds are 'asian', which suggests the indian subcontinent. The country with (to the best of my knowledge) most likely export of such filth on the indian subcontinent is Pakistan. If memory serves, the men on trial for Charlene Downes' rape and murder are Pakistani.
You say BNP member's referring to these scum (not people, scum) as 'pakis' lets him down, but what if they are Pakistani? Shouldn't we keep an open mind and ask him to prove they're Pakistanis?
BNP Member,
"Did anyone here hear ann cryers attempts to make us FEEL SORRY FOR THE SCUM THAT DO IT?"
Yes, I did, and then I hit the roof too and posted a little rant on my own blog. Which I am not going to post here, as I'm sure it would be strongly disapproved of by the site owner here. But you know where to find it if you want to.
But that's what they ARE. They are pakis.
I suppose the operative term should be muslim, what with mohammed marrying a 6 year old and having sex with her from 9, but 'paki' is a mildly insulting term, and as you can tell i dont like them one bit, and nor should you. We are talking about them raping young girls and you worry about me calling them pakis instead of Pakistanis or just muslims? Pakis are muslim indians, that was the partition was all about, see the interview with Rajinder Singh in the post on the top of my site for more. Screw PC, its got a hold on far too much.
Now i dont normally speak like that, but we are talking about mass rape here, so i wont moderate my language no. And im saying that with the left overs of an Indian take away in my front room, I specifically mean pakis, i dont mean Indians, i LIKE Indians, and saying i like indians is just as racist as saying i don't like pakis isnt it? So if you are against racism you should be against me saying i like indians, but you are not against racism - discriminating based on race - you are against being seen to acquiesce in the labelling of foreign groups as anything other than beneficial, because that's the way most British people have been trained to 'think' (I use the term loosely) nowadays, another trend i am proud to buck.
Yes i am angry about it all. Very angry. You should have seen me lose it when it came on tv - i scared the heck out of my partner. Ann cryer is an evil little opportunist and the constituent emotions she was appealing to are those of dirty little paedophile pakis.
There's that word again, paki. So Colm and whoever else can have a great big group wank about how virtuous they are by not using it while the rest of us 'uneducated and backward' people grub around in the dirt trying to stop our young girls from being raped.
Paki paki paki, that should get you started.
And now the big joke. Apparently Pakistan translates as 'Land of the Pure'. So those from it are... what? Pure?
BNP member
Well at least you are now using plural and posessive in the correct context. My work here has not been entirely unrewarded.
Before I forget to mention, Pakistan has existed only since 1947, the result of a call for "an autonomous state in northwestern India for Indian Muslims, within the body politic of India."
Thus, I submit that Pakistanis are not a race and calling people 'pakis' cannot therefore qualify as racism. Under any definition of the word. God bless Wikipedia.
Anything else to add, or will you now go about your day with a skip and a jump?
*addressed to colm, obviously.
BNP Member,
1. I'm not indulging in any "virtuous group wank." Be more careful of the language you use. We can all be angry, me included, but does that mean vulgarity is then OK?
2. I do understand that these men may be Pakistani in which case I have NO issues with you saying that to make your point. But "paki" is just offensive slang to me and I don't think it gives credibility to resort to such.
Mr Smith,
I don't have a problem with the point of substance but I do not care for slang directed at an entire race of people.
BNP member
Don't forget hop. It always goes with skip and jump.
David, point taken, but please see my point on pakistan being an ideological state. Thus its denizens are not necessarily (to my knowledge) limited to racial group X. In fact, if there were such a limitation it would be to indians, but you will notice that BNP member did not say 'indians', but 'pakis'. In fact, as far as race goes, BNP Member has stated that he likes indians.
I believe his blog is currently showing a feed of an indian chap being interviewed and the particular subsection the interviewee represents being presented in a positive light.
If Mr Smith seriously thinks shouting 'paki' at someone is not racist then he is just beyond parody.
BNP member.
Do you think using that term contributes anything effective to dealing with the issue. Will using the term 'pakis' actually do anything to reduce this abuse carried out by these men ?. It only gives the impression that you are far more bothered about the race of these abusers than the actual act of abuse itself.
Oh look, a BNP news article.;
12th August 2007
News article filed by BNP news team
The sordid world of Muslim Asian grooming of white under-age girls has been “exposed” in the mainstream press; three years after the BNP first brought this scandal to the public attention.
Today’s Sunday Times carries a report on the jailing of Zulfqar Hussain, 46, and Qaiser Naveed, 32, from east Lancashire, after exploiting two girls aged under 16 by plying them with alcohol and drugs before having sex with them.
The trial in Preston last week came amid growing concern at the attitudes of some Asian men towards white girls which campaigners for women claim few people wish to address.
Parents have complained that in parts of the country with large Asian communities white girls as young as 12 are being targeted for sex by older Asian men yet the authorities are unwilling to act because of fears of being labelled racist.
Paralysis
It is this paralysis of our authorities, the Police and council run social services as well as organisations in the voluntary sector which is the most appalling aspect of the entire scandal, a paralysis brought about by relentless witch-hunts of whistleblowers and a culture of institutional political correctness.
Fear of offending the Muslim communities appears to take precedence over helping our young daughters but every single craven police officer, every council official who fails to act in the interests of justice is as guilty as the Muslim predator who defiles a white schoolgirl.
So whats your solution BNP member?
or more importantly what is the party solution?
Mr Smith,
Yes, that's an excellent feed and well worth everyone seeing. I've been trying to find a way to get in embedded here so our readership can view it but without success. I think BNP Member makes some good points I just think it a pity when they are undermined with slang, that's all. As for your point on Pakistan, yes, fair comment.
David Vance is being a bit 'precious' here.
I've read on this blog such 'diminutives' as:
"ruskies, yanks, ossies, kiwis, chinks, brits, frogs, swedes (vegetables),...yes, and even the slightly pejorative, Oirish. None of which provoked the slightest comment.
No, what's important is that the British people realise there is a definable problem and that they then feel able to come together in defence of their families and their homes.
That's what the government is terrified of, and that's what must happen. The British people need to find their voice before it is to late, and to enable that people like me need to reclaim words that the left have forbidden us from using.
There is a vocabulary behind resistance, and im certainly not going to permit other people to get away with thinking things are just merely DoublePlusBad or even TriplePlusUnlucky.
Put another way, names are descriptions that everyone is agreed upon which is why the left has fought so long and hard to change them. Words are more powerful than bombs and the British have been intentionally disarmed.
What's most important is that our FREE people start to THINK again, two things which are catalysts for one another. The conclusions are not as important as the process by which you come to them - the ability to choose your own questions is more important than the answers.
DV, click 'google video', in the bottom right, then click 'go to google video'
Then, click the blue button ' E-mail - blog - post to myspace' to the right of the large video, and then select 'embed' and copy the code therin.
Google video has a clunky system for embedding but its ok once you get used to it.
Best,
G.
BNP Member
The term 'Paki' has been far and away the single most widely used generic term of abuse used in Britain when making derogatory comments to anyone of Asian descent. You can bet your bottom dollar that anyone of Asian descent whether Indian Pakistani Bangladeshi Sri Lankan whatever who has been the victom if racial abuse, verbal or physical will have had the word 'Paki' hurled at them.
If you think that your noble efforts to reclaim the word for use by the 'British People' is the best way of respectfully defending the culture and rights of the majority white population you are utterly wrong and all you are doing is promoting the very same debasing race hatred that you rightfully accuse these Asian men of.
What i think, Colm, is that any Brit who takes advice from you as to how to secure a future for themselves and their children is a blithering idiot.
This is a BNPtv clip
, from may 28th, where one of our councillors, Sharon Wilkinson, interviews a mother of another 12 year old girl who fell into the paedophile trap. 18 minutes. If you want, don't listen to me, listen to her.
what's important is that the British people realise there is a definable problem and that they then feel able to come together in defence of their families and their homes.
what is the basis of this "defense"?
cattle cars in the night?
BNP Member
So you make an assumption that I would be soft on these crimes just because I object to the use of the term Pakis. You couldn't be more wrong. It is scandalous and shocking if the authorities turn a blind eye or tiptoe around any sexual abuse for reasons of racial or communal sensitivities. The police and other state organisations should never ever allow such factors to enter how they deal with these matters, and for what it's worth I think the sentences handed down on these 2 men was pathetically lenient.
However, encouraging white people to reclaim and use the abusive term 'Pakis' out of some misguided sense of promoting white solidarity will not protect girls form this abuse one iota. All it will do is create greater levels of racial hatred which in turn can only increase verbal physical and even sexual abuse in both directions.
The answer is for the police and authorities to crack down on such abuse without fear or favour and all this can be done wperectly well without ever having to use any pointless and stupid racial slang terms.
Perhaps everyones using the wrong word:
Mixing up racist with racialist; none of which is a flogging offence, at least not yet.
For example, to say that blacks have a 'predisposition' for large gangs, guns & knives, violence and sexual predation, is purely a racial obsevation, and not a racist remark.
After all, the Italians are characterised by being mother orientated, car obsessed, bum pinching braggadocios who can't fight....but what the hell, do THEY care?
DT
One sentence or two?
Flying across the page
Disappear quick like you.
BNP member - I totally understand your anger at the activities of these Muslim males, the media distortions regarding the BNP and the response of politicians such as Ann Cryer. That these criminals are not being more urgently investigated is scandalous to say the least. That said your use of the term 'Pakis' is only ever going to be used against you to undermine your argument. Trying to argue the point is a battle not really worth winning and is surely energy wasted. I too find very little evidence of any benefits derived from having a large number of Pakistani Muslims living in our midst. In fact I can only see the many negatives resulting from such a large and fairly recent influx. I try to target the negative emotions arising from things like the Muslim grooming of young white girls at the criminals themselves and the politicians that have allowed massive and uncontrolled immigration to have such a disastrous effect on our country. I too would like to see the English and British people to come together, reclaim their culture and take control of it's direction. Isn't being as polite as possible a virtue we should endeavour to encourage? Avoiding the use of terms such as 'Paki' in no way weakens the argument that Ann Cryer comments were disgraceful and racist or that certain Pakistani Muslim paedophiles are using hard drugs to enable them to have sex with under age children.
GA
I agree with everything you say here but I did not argue against BNPs use of the term in order to undermine his argument but I do think his use of that term undermined his own message.
Unbelievable. You all have just spent all of this time arguing about using the word 'paki'.
Ridiculous. As if you all don't use slang words to describe people. 'shinner' 'oirish' 'yank' 'redneck' (Colm - you like that one!) 'muzzie'.
Please.
Monica
It's not ridiculous if you are an Asian family having shit put through your letterbox and 'filthy pakis' grafftied on your front door.
Monica,
"Unbelievable. You all have just spent all of this time arguing about using the word 'paki'."
Bang on point. Well put.
All those who've spent time picking on BNP Member's use of the word 'Paki', I have to say it doesn't really say much for your concern for the actual issue highlighted by this post.
Colm,
"It only gives the impression that you are far more bothered about the race of these abusers than the actual act of abuse itself."
Bollocks. He used the word to simply describe the 'people' responsible. It wasn't BNP Member who then started jumping up and down about the race of the perpetrators, but the 'anti-racist' lot like yourself. He's furious about the crime, and you're quibbling about the language he used to described the perpetrators. I wonder, what does this tell us?
"If you think that your noble efforts to reclaim the word for use by the 'British People' is the best way of respectfully defending the culture and rights of the majority white population you are utterly wrong and all you are doing is promoting the very same debasing race hatred that you rightfully accuse these Asian men of."
So, let's break that down, by using the word 'paki' in a simple way, he's promoting the kind of race hatred that these 'asian men' are guilty of? This translates to: 'by using the term 'Paki', BNP Member is promoting the racial hatred that allows and praises the grooming and abuse of girls from a particular other race'
That's what your words come down to, and there's no denying it. You disgust me.
Monica
In Britain "paki" is in the same league as "jew-boy" or "nigger". That means it's a racist term. End of.
Mr Smith
I'm not suprised I disgust you. I take it as a compliment. I will return to this shortly when I have more time and prove my point that BNP member and his cheerleaders like you are more interested in race baiting than actually dealing with the problem.
Colm,
Of the two of us, I've not been the one harping on how nice we must be about not mentioning the 'race' (again, Pakistani is not a racial term) of the perpetrators. I've not mentioned their race at all and neither has BNP Member.
Pakistani is not a racial term
No, but "Paki" most certainly is.
Im torn.
On the one hand, some people on this thread are so hung up on calling a paki a paki that i almost think it was the wrong thing to do, as it seems to have distracted what little sense they had left from something important to something of nothing. In this I see where Guardian Apostate is coming from, especially backed up with his point of being polite.
On the other hand, they were pakis, and its a problem centred on pakis. Why should i try to hide this?
I cant really engage my head on this thread any more. I feel as though its turned into the most unlikely of train wrecks. When Colm said, and i quote (calling a paki a paki) "Only gives the impression that you are far more bothered about the race of these abusers than the actual act of abuse itself." we were fast approaching the insanity event horizon, and i now believe this thread has passed it - no escape.
When we have young girls raped by paki paedophiles and all these hustlers do is loudly complain that people notice, its time to back away slowly and then double lock the doors.
Any thinking observer who happens across this thread now has all the tools he needs to come out a little more coherent than he left by looking at the rabid babblings of the race hustlers and steering a wide berth. So maybe it is a good thing to call a spade a spade after all, as it sends the more dedicated hustlers into a kind of mental spasm, temporarily revealing their priorities and motives for the keen eyed to take note of.
They do rather like to play it both ways, don't they ?
To us they tell us it is a term of abuse. But why have they chosen this name for their country ? There is no ethnic or racial difference between an Indian and a Pakistani as such. So why the name ? Well, I read some where it means 'pure'; the wearer of the name is setting themselves apart from others, the impure ones. It comes from their holy teachings - the impure, the 'Najis', is of course things like faeces, urine, pork meat. And the reason for the name ? Well there are other human beings who are najis, ie. the Kafirs, Christians and Hindus for example.
So in a way it surely is a kind of term of abuse, a joke on the non-pak.
In your defence BNP member I seem to remember three Muslim males being convicted of murder but the judge refused to label the crime as racist despite one of the three being heard to say 'that'll teach the white man for interferring in Paki business'.
In the long run it's surely wiser to avoid terms that may possibly be misconstrued as 'offensive' if only because it gives leftist apologists for mass immigration and multiculturism room for attack and the chance to assume an imagined moral high ground. We might then force them to focus a little more on issues such as the ones touched on in the article above.
My my, racists of a feather certainly flock together.
If "paki" is not a racist term, what would you guys agree is one? Nigger, wog, jew-boy, frog, deigo? Or are these also just charming figures of speech, earthy working-class words in England?
LOL!
Come on, Peter, don't sugar your words, tell us what you really think.
Let me try to simplify this for you, BNP member. There's really no need to be torn on this issue, as it doesn't exist.
The liberals have spent much more time ripping into you on the use of the word 'paki' than they have on the atrocious acts of said pakistanis, to the extent that dear old Peter seems to have defined his entire participation on this thread defending the right of the poor-little-things to not be called 'pakis'.
Diddums.
Listen, boys and girls. We're here on a thread of comments instigated by a post confirming the existence of a paedophile network instigated, continued, hidden and defended by a group of foreign men in our own country. And these fucking liberals are wringing their hands and whinging about how the poor brownies aren't to be called 'paki' as it might hurt their ever-fucking feelings. Such 'people' would be best put to use decorating the highest available trees as hanging ornamentation and deserve only contempt.
Now, back to the topic at hand, if that's not too much to ask. There is a network of paedophiles and rapists defiling schoolgirls and getting away with it. Two have been arrested, but the evidence suggests there are unknown numbers of others, including those of an age where they 'are ready for this sort of thing' but not old enough to be prosecuted as adults.
Discuss.
Well what a load of lies those who wish to defend the use of the term 'Paki' bring out when trying to defend the moronically indefensible. From Mr Smith distorting a comment of mine to imply that I am accusing users of that term of 'praising' the rape of white girls to Orlandos' completely barking mad comment to the effect that if they don't want to be called Pakis they shouldn't have called their country Pakistan. How desperate those who wish to attack me on this topic are.
I oppose the use of the term 'Paki' for 2 reasons. First because it is a pig ignorant term of nasty abuse that deserves to be rubbished and I will damn well do so whenever I hear it regardless of the shoulder shrugging 'who cares' attitudes of selfish people like Mr Smith and co and secondly because the use of such terms wrecks any good arguments - and yes BNP member did have good arguments - that anyone articulates when trying to deal with this serious subject.
I think everyone here should get to the point and call them muslims or arab muslims. If paki equals nigger, than anyone using the term, especially a BNP member, has just derailed the central issue and made themselves look small and hateful. Who really gives a rat's ass what part of the middle east these people are from? You need to focus on islamism and the vast differences that separate western and islamic culture and attitude. You need to focus on showing how western and islamic culture generally do not coexist peacefully. You need to get smart about using language to your benefit if you hope to make some serious policy changes and get widespread support. Cut the derogatory remarks and focus on the issues of fundamental islam that are ruining your country. Focus on the liberal politicians and policies that are allowing them to take place.
It's much easier to fight for your cause and make changes when the water isn't muddied by sloppy, offensive language.
I didn't need to twist anything, Colm, your words spoke for themselves when you accused BNP member of propagating the same kind of racial hatred that two 'asian men' have been shown to have by being convicted of racially-targeted sexual abuse.
Mr Smith
Do you think anyone who tries to encourage the authorities to seriously deal with this matter would be taking seriously if in any correspondence or campaigning literature or speeches they utter used the ? How does campaigning to 'reclaim' this term of abuse as BNP member advocates , advance the cause of ending race base abuse of white girls. Is BNP member serious about dealing with this ? Are you ?
Very simple questions for you then Mr Smith
Do you think encouraging white people to reclaim and proudly use the term 'Paki' is not an encouragement of racial abuse? Do you think such a policy will help end the abuse of white girls by Muslim Asian males ?
I note that none of the racists have answered my question posted at 9.41.
Come on Mr Smith, do let us hear what you really think! Diddums!