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The first adoption was itself disturbing on many levels - white/black, rich/poor, etc. The boy got a better material life, the celebrity got an African accessory.
And this week we saw the rich white woman bringing the boy back to Malawi, where he did not recognize his own father.
Chifundo James, the girl who would have been the second adoptee, dodged a bullet. Better to live with her people in her own poor land than to be a gawked at trinket in London or New York.
A tip of the hat to the judge.
Madonna will get her way in the end. The Judge was asserting a bit of Malawian independence and pride for the world's media, but I reckon Madonna (unused to hearing the word No from anyone) will use her resources and ability to pressurise the legal authorities to ensure that she gets the child that she wants to complete her matching set of white boy white girl black boy black girl.
"I reckon Madonna... will use her resources"
Yes, she will buy off the relatives who put the child in the orphanage and she did with the first one.
Bit of a left wing arguement though isn't it Mike. Leave the child to rot in Malawi as a sacrafice on the PC altar.
I assume that's why you find it great news. It wouldn't be malacious on your part would it?
Malice was the last thing on my mind; as for your motives, I couldn't possibly comment!
The sad fact about Malawi, as with so many other ex-colonial countries is that once under the dubious blessing of 'Black Rule' they descend once more into the savage depths of tribal savagery and corruption!
"The sad fact about Malawi, as with so many other ex-colonial countries is that once under the dubious blessing of 'Black Rule' they descend once more into the savage depths of tribal savagery and corruption!"
Agreed, but why do you think it is good news that Madonna hasn't been allowed to adopt the child?
Phantom says "Better to live with her people in her own poor land than to be a gawked at trinket in London or New York."
Is David being gawked at as a trinket in London and New York and why is it better for Chifundo James to live with her people in a poor land?"
I am genuinely interested in your views, I'm not just being trollish.
'"The sad fact about Malawi, as with so many other ex-colonial countries is that once under the dubious blessing of 'Black Rule' they descend once more into the savage depths of tribal savagery and corruption!"'
You really are a racist idiot. It is not the 'black' that is dubious, it is the form of rule.
I gather from your posts (though, i may be wrong), that you are from SA or Zimbabwe, or some such place. What an odious type of people, these white Africans must be. It's a pity they were not kicked out of 'their' farms long, long ago.
Whites should get out of Africa and just leave the natives to themselves. Since whites went to Africa and eliminated so many diseases, the population has exploded and is one of the drivers of environmental destruction.
It would be interesting if Guba would reveal where in the world blacks actually have created organised, low-crime, successful countries in a manner comparable to the whites of Europe or the orientals of Japan, Korea & China.
Can we get back to the subject guys?
I think I can see the solution here- half of the world's celebrities (Madonna, Angelina Jolie etc) are trying to collect children like Pokemon, meanwhile the other half are neglecting their children so badly that it is frightening (Britney, Michael Jackson) so why don't the baby stealers grab the offspring of the baby neglecters?
Anonymous ( not Chuffer )
When any of us are tourists in a very different place, we are gawked at. When I was in Vietnam, I made it a point to go pretty far off the beaten tracked and I was surely gawked at.
But I was my own actor then, and two weeks later, I was back in my rich world.
These kids have no say in the matter. Their families, being very poor, have no real say in the matter.
If Madonna had any genuine regard for these children, she could easily contribute to the families ( remember the first kid had a living father ) so that the families remain intact.
Madonna has had a fetish about blacks ( see the " Like A Prayer " video ) for a long time. To some extent, that's what's going on here. There are plenty of babies needing parents in her own country.
She is the worst possible guardian for any African child.
My first choice will always be to keep a family together, or to keep a child in his native community. Only where there is no choice, or where the locals have a stigma against adoption should any child be yanked across the world into a culture not his own.
"Madonna has had a fetish about blacks ( see the " Like A Prayer " video ) for a long time. To some extent, that's what's going on here."
"She is the worst possible guardian for any African child."
Are you suggesting she is after these kids to have sex with them? And how is she the "worst possible guardian"?
I fully agree that families should be kept together but I can't help but believe that there is an element of spite shown in the critisism of Madonna.
How would Chifundo James be worse off if she were adopted by Madonna?
She would grow up as a kid celebrity without having any choice in the matter.
She would be raised in a vacuous celiebrity culture, far from any relations that she may have, far from the culture of her people.
"She would grow up as a kid celebrity without having any choice in the matter."
What real choice do children have? She has no choice about being in an orphanage.
"She would be raised in a vacuous celiebrity culture, far from any relations that she may have, far from the culture of her people."
In the history on mankind I'm sure that many children have been separated from their relations and culture. It's not she she wouldn't be able to afford to go back to Malawi in later life if she wished.
We should always be wary if we think money and/or celebrity is talking when other things are vastly more important. I think that, generally speaking, the children are better long term being supported where they are. That is mainly about keeping them with their natural families. I don't really agree with the argument about culture. Your culture is what you are brought up in. It has nothign to do with where you are from genetically or where your biological paresnt culture, unless that has feen a factor in your upbringing.
I think that a child is far better off being raised in a Malawi orphanage than in a mansion run by Madonna.
I assume that some sub editor, somewhere, has written the obvious headline
"Madonna without child"
"I think that a child is far better off being raised in a Malawi orphanage than in a mansion run by Madonna."
Fine, you are entitled to your opinion but I am not even swayed by your arguements. Do you know something about Madonna that we don't?
Nothing that you don't know, no.
But she's been discussed enough already.