CLIMATE CHANGE MANIA...
Tuesday, December 2, 2008 at 09:18AM So, the UK economy is in mess. Production is falling, unemployment is rising, sterling is in free fall, factories are closing. What to so about it? How about ensuring that we shrink our economy deliberately over the next decade. No? Well, that's what the government's climate change adviser, Lord Turner, recommends.
"Lord Turner recommended the UK reduce output of carbon dioxide and other gases linked to global warming by more than a third in the next 12 years. He admitted the cuts will be tough, shrinking the economy by one per cent by 2020 and demanding big changes in consumer behaviour. The biggest impact will be on energy prices which are expected to rise by 25 per cent for the average family, pushing 1.7 million people into fuel poverty."
Still, surely that is a small price to pay to ensure that we reverse reality. Right?
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Take it you missed Turner and George Monbiot on Newsnight?
Ludicrous stuff.
Just gotta love these folks sense of timing. So out of touch are they, I doubt they even see the stupidity of making such an announcement at a time like this...
A shrinkage of 1%? - that he should be so lucky, 1% will be seen as benign when compared to the shrinkage caused by Brown's recent escapades.
As for an increase of 25% in electricity prices, - what a good excuse to burn some of the wood from all those trees they have been planting, such an increase will put electricty in the luxury category! I wonder if they would dare to increase the VAT on that one?
ILUVNI -
Yep, I saw Monbiot and Adair Turner having a nice little chat about how much our economy should shrink and how high energy prices will have to rise.
Three very wealthy, upper middle class chaps casually discussing whose peasant grandmothers should be sacrificed to the cold.
Adair Turner is someone for whom I'm rapidly developing a deep contempt. It was his pensions report, done on behalf of his pal Gordon Brown, who recommended wo be made to work until we die. No mention from him, however, that it was his pal Brown who destroyed our pensions in the first place. No suggestion from him either that we can quickly rebuild our pensions if government stops taxing us so much.
Goerge Joshua Monbiot - what an arrogant cretin. The pampered product of Stowe Public School and Oxford who uses environmentalism as a Trojan Horse for his extremist, loony Left Wing fantasies.
He'd go even further than the corporatist stooge Adair Turner. This pillock hates people, hates the liberties that others have over their lives and hates progress. He won't rest until the rest of us are back to poverty and subsistence living while his like are up the hill in the warm. And there'll be no mead drinking in his world either.
I pray for the day I see him cross the road in front of me. I pray for it. He's as Left Wing and dangerous as any of them.
Bah, I detest these sociopaths.
Still, surely that is a small price to pay to ensure that we reverse reality. Right?
Economic contraction under the current model is a reality. Global warming may well be a threat but it pales in comparison to the effects of Peak Oil. If our economies are not diversified away from carbon reliance then regression (economic and social) is all but inevitable.
I could almost be convinced that this latest super-bubble was allowed to get so out of control for this very reason.
I thought we were running out of oil in the 70's?
What about coal reserves (resources)?
Improved technology can result in better conversion efficiences from many sources. We have the time, rather than bankrupt the country.
I noted that Monbiot was saying we are at greater risk, yet no one mentioned that there has been a recent cooling, that may continue for sometime?
"I noted that Monbiot was saying we are at greater risk, yet no one mentioned that there has been a recent cooling, that may continue for sometime?"
Monbiot and the warmists live in a bubble. They know nothing of the real world where people have to work, pay for utilities, and somehow get by under the regime of taxation and bureaucracy put in place by NuLab.
I thought we were running out of oil in the 70's?
Just the USA. It was predicted and it happened. The same thing is now happening on a global scale.
As for coal etc. There is no replacement for oil. None.
The USA ran out of oil in the 1970s? Someone tell'em.
If our economies are not diversified away from carbon reliance then regression (economic and social) is all but inevitable.
Better slash and burn government in that case, because only free markets will provide the wealth and ingenuity to move away from oil, which we should use up to the last drop incidentally since it does no-one any good underground.
"Lord Turner recommended the UK reduce output of carbon dioxide and other gases linked to global warming by more than a third in the next 12 years."
How many times does it have to be said before these socialists realize - CARBON DIOXIDE IS NOT A POLLUTANT? It is an integral part of the food chain. More carbon dioxide leads to more verdant vegetation --> more food for everyone.
Are they born stupid or is there some sort of Socialist indoctrination center where frontal lobotomies are carried out as part of the initiation rite?
APL
Water is part of the food chain but if I fill your house with it when you're inside, it will not be a good day for you
It is believed that CO2 will cause too much of the earth's heat to stay within the atmosphere. Heat, too may not be a pollutant, but too much of it is not so good.
How did I do, Al?
The USA ran out of oil in the 1970s? Someone tell'em.
I didnt say ran out. I said running out. Production of US oil peaked in the 1970s. I know facts arent your strong point Pete, never mind reality, but you should at least inform yourself of the basics before barging in with your tired "free markets will free us all" baloney and thinking its a solution to everything.
Sorry DT.
So the USA is still running out of oil? Better start drilling elsewhere eh? Evict the polar bears, grenade the fish, just get the black stuff up.
So the USA is still running out of oil?
Yes. And just to be clear, we are talking about a nations oil reserves not a bottle of bitter lemon.
Better start drilling elsewhere eh?
You mean like Alaska's shale oil deposits?
Anwar and off the coasts of California and Florida are fine places to start.
Westcoast2,
"no one mentioned that there has been a recent cooling, that may continue for sometime?"
Maybe they haven't mentioned it because it isn't true.
It would of course merely be amusing if somebody actually stood up and claimed cooling on the basis of a short term trend, even while they have been claiming that the much longer and much more solid warming trend in the same data is unreliable for years.
Allan,
"Monbiot and the warmists live in a bubble. They know nothing of the real world "
More comedy cold from the denialist crew. I always enjoy how they claim that everyone else is mental for thinking there might be something to mainstream science, while advancing their own crackpot conspiracy theories.
At best these denialists are reminiscent of Japan after WW2 (the situation has developed not necessarily to Japan's advantage), but more usually they are like Comical Ali (who claimed to be winning the war while the enemy forces could be seen in the background - Be assured. Baghdad is safe, protected - and who also had issues with the MSM: The American press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!).
Frank O'Dwyer -
I think rather that temperatures have developed not necessarily to your advantage.
And when's this 2007 heatwave - the 'inevitable' heatwave you predicted would roast us all - going to arrive?
Pete,
"I think rather that temperatures have developed not necessarily to your advantage."
If you try looking at the temperatures sometime, you'll find that you're wrong.
"And when's this 2007 heatwave - the 'inevitable' heatwave you predicted would roast us all - going to arrive?"
There was a heatwave in 2007 - I merely got the location wrong :-)
Besides, my understanding has improved since 2007. I see that yours has not.
Frank O'Dwyer -
I can report that the temperature at 7.00am this morning was -3 degrees. That must explain the luscious frost and all that ice I had to scrape off the motor. Mind you we got away with it here. It's been snowing over half the country.
I say 'scrape', what I mean is "start her up, raise the blowers and get revving".
Granted it took a few minutes to see out and I polluted half the county, but it's only unleaded.
Since you're an understanding type, you'll understand how many winters we've had so far this autumn. Is it four or five now?
Pete,
When they talk about global climate they aren't referring to the weather in Essex or the UK. Do you really not understand the difference?