Wednesday
24Sep2008
Democratic American Jewish Leaders Should Be Ashamed
Wednesday, September 24, 2008 at 01:58AM
On Monday, Sarah Palin and Hillary Cinton were to speak at a rally outside of the UN headquarters against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Iranian plans to destroy Israel. Hillary Clinton dropped out. Sarah Palin’s popularity and talents threatened to draw favorable attention to the Republican ticket. Sarah Palin was disinvited. Caroline Glick writes:
“American Jews have good reason to be ashamed and angry today. As Iran moves into the final stages of its nuclear weapons development program - nuclear weapons which it will use to destroy the State of Israel, endanger Jews around the world and cow the United States of America - Democratic American Jewish leaders decided that putting Sen. Barack Obama in the White House is more important than protecting the lives of the Jewish people in Israel and around the world.
. …LIBERAL AMERICAN Jews, like liberal Americans in general, and indeed like their fellow leftists in Israel and throughout the West, uphold themselves as champions of human rights. They claim that they care about the underdog, the wretched of the earth. They care about the environment. They care about securing American women's unfettered access to abortions. They care about keeping Christianity and God out of the public sphere. They care about offering peace to those who are actively seeking their destruction so that they can applaud themselves for their open-mindedness and tell themselves how much better they are than savage conservatives…
..Those horrible, war-mongering, Bambi killing, unborn baby defending, God-believing conservatives, who think that there are things worth going to war to protect, must be defeated at all costs. They must intimidate, attack, demonize and defeat those conservatives who think that the free women of the West should be standing shoulder to shoulder not with Planned Parenthood, but with the women of the Islamic world who are enslaved by a misogynist Shari'a legal code that treats them as slaves and deprives them of control not simply of their wombs, but of their faces, their hair, their arms, their legs, their minds and their hearts.
The lives of 6 million Jews in Israel are today tied to the fortunes of those women, to the fortunes of American forces in Iraq, to the willingness of Americans across the political and ideological spectrum to recognize that there is more that unifies them than divides them and to act on that knowledge to defeat the forces of genocide, oppression, hatred and destruction that are led today by the Iranian regime and personified in the brutal personality of Ahmadinejad. But Jewish Democrats chose to ignore this basic truth in order to silence Palin.
They should be ashamed. The Democratic Party should be ashamed. And Jewish American voters should consider carefully whether opposing a woman who opposes the abortion of fetuses is really more important than standing up for the right of already born Jews to continue to live and for the Jewish state to continue to exist. Because this week it came to that.”
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“American Jews have good reason to be ashamed and angry today. As Iran moves into the final stages of its nuclear weapons development program - nuclear weapons which it will use to destroy the State of Israel, endanger Jews around the world and cow the United States of America - Democratic American Jewish leaders decided that putting Sen. Barack Obama in the White House is more important than protecting the lives of the Jewish people in Israel and around the world.
. …LIBERAL AMERICAN Jews, like liberal Americans in general, and indeed like their fellow leftists in Israel and throughout the West, uphold themselves as champions of human rights. They claim that they care about the underdog, the wretched of the earth. They care about the environment. They care about securing American women's unfettered access to abortions. They care about keeping Christianity and God out of the public sphere. They care about offering peace to those who are actively seeking their destruction so that they can applaud themselves for their open-mindedness and tell themselves how much better they are than savage conservatives…
..Those horrible, war-mongering, Bambi killing, unborn baby defending, God-believing conservatives, who think that there are things worth going to war to protect, must be defeated at all costs. They must intimidate, attack, demonize and defeat those conservatives who think that the free women of the West should be standing shoulder to shoulder not with Planned Parenthood, but with the women of the Islamic world who are enslaved by a misogynist Shari'a legal code that treats them as slaves and deprives them of control not simply of their wombs, but of their faces, their hair, their arms, their legs, their minds and their hearts.
The lives of 6 million Jews in Israel are today tied to the fortunes of those women, to the fortunes of American forces in Iraq, to the willingness of Americans across the political and ideological spectrum to recognize that there is more that unifies them than divides them and to act on that knowledge to defeat the forces of genocide, oppression, hatred and destruction that are led today by the Iranian regime and personified in the brutal personality of Ahmadinejad. But Jewish Democrats chose to ignore this basic truth in order to silence Palin.
They should be ashamed. The Democratic Party should be ashamed. And Jewish American voters should consider carefully whether opposing a woman who opposes the abortion of fetuses is really more important than standing up for the right of already born Jews to continue to live and for the Jewish state to continue to exist. Because this week it came to that.”
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Reader Comments (47)
Hillary wanted the job of standing up to Iran's leaders, but couldn't even stand up to Sarah Palin?!
LMAO!
Obviously the far right only likes a type of Jew.
Obviously the far left only likes a type of woman.
Charles - the far left perhaps. But objections to Palin's qualifications cross the political divide.
Possibly Mahons, but enough to disinvite her from a non-partisan rally b/c Hillary decides not to show up? What does the left have to fear by hearing her speak? You said yourself the GOP was keeping her locked away. Well, here she was to present a major speech in front of the UN and who shut her down? The GOP? No! We'd LOVE to hear more from her. The liberals were afraid of her getting TOO MUCH AIR TIME at the Dems expense. They want to run the country and their afraid of a mother of five? Gimme a break!
Charles - Clinton clearly did not want to lend gravitas to Palin that Palin has not earned.
Charles - let her do a press conference. Even just one. Why not? What are they hiding?
Whatever fun the right may get from how much she annoys the left (and I'll give her that), she isn't up to the task of assuming the presidency, not at this troubled time in our history. She isn't ready. She just isn't ready.
Shoot, Mahons, let's let BO do a press conference, too, while we're at it. Just one.
Mahons: Sorry, pal, Palin is alot more qualified than Obama!
Mahons, If Clinton didn't want any of her gravitas to rub off on Palin, fine, so she quit. Forget about standing up to the Iranians, politics is much more important, I suppose. But then why was Palin dis-invited? Remember, if the organizers thought she had nothing to add, why invite her in the first place?
What a crock of BS! The Dems thought this was so important as to have a rally at the UN, but if Palin shows, up, well Ok Iran, you can have nukes. What a sorry sack of horsesh!t some Democrats have become!
And if Hillary has so much gravitas, why isn't she the nominee?
"she isn't up to the task of assuming the presidency, not at this troubled time in our history. She isn't ready. She just isn't ready."
No offense MAHONS.....
However, personal opinions don't carry much weight.
That is unless you've walked 1,000 miles in the V.P.'s shoes.....
So I'll honour Dan Quayle's opinion.
>>Those horrible, war-mongering, Bambi killing, unborn baby defending, God-believing conservatives, who think that there are things worth going to war to protect, must be defeated at all costs. They must intimidate, attack, demonize and defeat those<<
Ah, another self-hating Jew!
Glick is a fool, and has been making a public fool of herself in the Jerusalem Post for some time now.
BTW, Patty, do you not think your arguments might be taken more seriously if you wrote them yourself instead of lifting trash from someone else's trash can?
Just because Troll can't write a post doesn't mean you can't.
This fool is under the mistaken belief that every Jew identifies with Israel and supports it. Not so.
'The lives of 6 million Jews in Israel are today tied to the fortunes of those women, to the fortunes of American forces in Iraq,'
Well the Israel lobby did have a big hand in convincing the US administration to invade Iraq.
'to defeat the forces of genocide, oppression, hatred and destruction that are led today by the Iranian regime and personified in the brutal personality of Ahmadinejad'
So if Iran is genocidal why doesn't it start with the 20,000 or so Jews living in Iran?
To summarise....utter nonsense !
Charles - attending a rally or not does not define a person. Clinton has a serious record of support for Israel and oppostion to Iran. Palin has no real record on that score and the rally, like the photo opportunities at the UN, was window dressing. Just because Palin spouts conservative rhetoric doesn't make her qualified for the office she seeks. I like aspects of her, and even agree with some of the positions she embraces, but she ain't ready amigo.
Patty - Palin isn't way more qualified than anyone. She isn't qualified.
Eddie - you walk 1000 miles in her shoes, I presume high heels would not be new to you.
RS - The Iranian leader is on record as calling for the destruction of Israel. Let us not pretend otherwise.
Mahons, it seems the fact that there are a sizeable number of Jews in Iran is an uncomfortable truth for you also.
"The Iranian leader is on record as calling for the destruction of Israel. Let us not pretend otherwise."
He has called on the Destruction of the State of Israel, as in, he wants to remove the Israeli regime. Not blow Israel up.
Patty,
To be fair, Ms Glick sounds a tad hysterical. She is spouting hyperbole and paranoia.
Yes, the Iranian regime is unpleasant but her certainty that it will attack Israel is dangerous nonsense as is her assertion that dastardly liberals would stand by in the event of such an attack.
RS- I am happy of a sizeable number of Jews anywhere in the World given their history of beng persecuted. That doesn't take away from Iran leader's prouncements which you seem incapable of acknowledging.
Seamus - pull the other one.
Mahons, there isn't a qualification in being Vice President. You can't do an exam. At the moment in time there are 5 people who are qualified to be Vice President. They are
1) Walter Mondale
2) George Bush Snr
3) Dan Quayle
4) Al Gore
5) Dick Cheney
Why are these people qualified? Because they have been endorsed by the people. That is the only qualification that is needed to be Vice President, or President for that matter.
"Seamus - pull the other one."
Pull the other what?
Seamus - actually there are millions who "qualify" as the Constitution merely requires them to have been born here and be of a certain age. But that isn't what I mean by qualify and you know or should know that.
She may be an able politican, and I happen to like some of what she says and stands for, and my oppostion to her is not fundamentally based on what I disagree with, but rather that she is simply too untested and unprepared for office should she be required to serve as President.
Why aren't they allowing press into see Palin? Surely that is the more pressing issue here than that Clinton clearly did not want to share a platform with Palin ahead of a major election.
Palin spent the last few days in NYC meeting a whole bunch of foreign ministers and the most we heard her say was "that's a nice name for a kid" to the Afghan President whilst all grins and make-up for the cameras.
This was just a rally. In political terms it means and achieves jackshit. And the two don't share the same politics let alone the same potential job title. Surely it is the latter on which Palin ought to be tested right now. Not some student placardfest.
At the very least Clinton has an opinion on world affairs and has spent the last few years outlining them. Her position on Israel from what I have read is not in doubt at all. She has been unequivocal in her support and views.
Why can't we hear Palin's opinions, on her own in these meetings, without an entourage to protect her?
To use your charming turn of phrase is Palin such a pussy she doesn't know her own mind on issues she may have to address in actual real get-stuck-in terms?
It's not the Dems who should be ashamed. You guys aren't even asking serious questions of your own candidates ability to this job, a mont or two ahead of an election.
Absurd.
JFK, one of, in my opinion, the greatest Presidents of the United States, have virtually no experience when he was elected. Abraham Lincoln had only spent two years in office previous to becoming President. In reality, if the people endorse her for President then she is qualified. She is the only one in the race with one iota of Executive Experience. Neither Barack Obama, John McCain or Joe Biden have ever had Executive Power. They are all Legislators. Do any of them have the necessary experience to be elected to an Executive Office?
Seamus - a cursory glance around the world at foreign affairs would tell any interested person that now is not the time to bugger about.
But apart from some experience or knowledge of these issues, seeing that she is one heart beat away from the Presidency, I'd settle for just an opinion on world affairs right now.
I am sure she and the little Iranian man can swap useful notes on the importance of religion in politics and law at some point. But apart from that, does she even have an opinion on - anything?
I don't know is she does have an opinion on it. How many of them have come out with stated policies on these issues. The Israel one is easy. It seems that most American Politicans come out and say that they want to give Israel a blank cheque and a free reign to act as agressively as they want. But how many of them have actually come out and declared what they would do?
Mahons, have you even read the thread? It accuses Ahmadinejad of being genocidal. Now I am merely asking if this is true why hasn't he started with the 20,000 or so jews currently living in Iran. I didn't mention his attitude toward Israel, you did.
'how many of them have actually come out and declared what they would do?'
Hillary Clinton for one.
“I want the Iranians to know that if I’m the president, we will attack Iran,” she said after being asked what she would do if Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel. “In the next ten years, during which they might foolishly consider launching an attack on Israel, we would be able to totally obliterate them.”
And in 2007
Calling Iran a danger to the U.S. and one of Israel's greatest threats, U.S. senator and presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton said "no option can be taken off the table" when dealing with that nation.
"U.S. policy must be clear and unequivocal: We cannot, we should not, we must not permit Iran to build or acquire nuclear weapons," the Democrat told a crowd of Israel supporters. "In dealing with this threat ... no option can be taken off the table."
That is the thing though isn't it. It is alright to talk about obliterating Iran but talking about Regime Change in Israel is bad? Iran is being turned into the boggyman despite no evidence that it is doing anything worse than other countries.
No, they shouldn't be allowed to acquire Nucleaur Weapons. But then, it is hypocritical for the United States to say this when they hold over 5,000 Nuclear Weapons, and Israel has over 100 Nuclear weapons.
Bullshit Seamus. But I know you love extremist religious nutters of all stripes so knock yourself out playing with RS.
Actually, I don't like extremist religious nutters, hence the fact that I don't want George W Bush to have access to 5,000 Nuclear Weapons for his little Crusade. I don't like Nuclear Weapons. I feel they are an evil abomination. Harry Truman is one of the biggest war criminals of all time for using them. I have a hatred for Nuclear Weapons no matter who owns them. You on the other hand think that it is alright for the British and the Americans to own them but not the Iranians.
Also, how do I love extremist religous nutters, out of curiosity?
Well bad luck - they exist. Like anyone else likes wants to get fried?
And a country's leaders like Mr A making silly crazy provacative overtures to a tiny little nation like Israel, surrounded by countries who hate it, wearing his hatred on his sleeve, whipping up extremism in Iraq and elsewhere in charge of the big boys weapons is not to be taken lightly.
Worse than Iran right now is Pakistan where the instability and extremist nutters itching to get their hands on that power should worry you more than Bush. Bush would hesitate in deciding to fry you Seamus I can assure you. The morons in Pakistan would not. How do i know this?...
Where would you rather live - America or Pakistan.
End of the day I would much prefer regime change in Iran and im on record here as saying the people in Iran deserve much better and are way more pro American than say the bastard sell-out Iraqis ever were. But if their leaders do attack Israel then Hillary's is the correct response.
And hey the woman has a firm opinion, more to the point re the post. Good eh. And she didn't even need to whip out an assault rifle.
(You heart them and then some. We've had a great debate on that some months ago and I don't have time to do that all again)
The only 'country' in the middle east which has actually obliterated another country is Israel. But thats fine, because arabs are inferior and Israel was founded by westerners, so thats good !
Extremist nutters are all the zionist/neo-con/dispensationalist idiots out there who think they have a god given right to shape the world as they please.
What?
RS
Yeah, sure
Great rebuttal...just great !
Seamus: I suppose you can be excused on your lack of knowledge of American History, but for the record:
Lincoln had four successive terms in the Illionis State Legislature, a term in Congress, brief but active military service, was a successful lawyer with 23 years of practice involving himself in landmark cases, helped form one of the two national parties, was almost made Vice Presidential nomiee in 1856 and engaged in what still may be the greatest nationally followed Senate campaign agains tStephen Douglas in 1858. He was a profound national figure at the time of his campaign for the presidency, extremely well versed in the issues of the day.
John F. Kennedy had active military service and command, served in the House of Representatives from 1947-53 and the Senate from 1953 to 1960, (that is 13 years in Congress), graduated cum laude from Harvard with a degree in International Affairs, almsot became the Vice Presidential nominee in 1956, wrote a bestseller Why England Slept (on international affairs) and the Pulitzer Prize winning Profiles in Courage. He was as even his bitterest enemies would acknowledge well aquaitned with the national and international issues of the day.
You diminish Palin further by trying to compare her to those two men.
Extremist nutters are all the zionist/neo-con/dispensationalist idiots out there ....
I think Cheney must have a house somewhere in Israel. If he does, that proves it!
He has called on the Destruction of the State of Israel, as in, he wants to remove the Israeli regime. Not blow Israel up.
Seamus why didn't he say that then? "we need regime change in Isreal", he didnt though! Instead he threatened to "wipe Isreal off the map".
Should pro-Israeli voters fear Obama?
http://www.desertconservative.com/2008/09/18/why-jewish-voters-should-fear-obama/
Just read this as an example of Nance's nonsense:
"There is a poll that says over 70% of blacks are either anti-Semitic or somewhat anti-Semitic. I am sure many people have heard from their black friends the unpleasant words that they speak about Israel. One should assume that Obama’s natural instinct is to have a dim view of Israel, too."
I suppose those Ethiopian Jews are self-haters then too Mr Nance eh?
Oh and CJ, the Beardy ones actual words were closer to "the regime occupying Jerusalem needs to pass from the pages of time"
I don't understand how anyone in the Jewish community can support Obama. This is a quote from his own book:
"I will stand with the Muslims should the
political wind shift in an ugly direction"....what
better place for the Muslins to control our country, than
in the office of the President of USA .