HELL TO PAY...
Saturday, November 22, 2008 at 12:44PM 
So, Obama is bringing us more of that change you can believe in by appointing political new girl Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State. Perhaps you don't know about Hillary, her being a fresh face in the Obama constellation of new stars. So, as part of your homework, I suggest you invest in "Hell to Pay" - a most illuminating book by Barbara Olson.
Barbara isn't around anymore - she was unfortunately incinerated on Flight 77 when Islamic terrorists crashed it into the Pentagon on 9/11. But her insights on the Clintons remain. I know some of my right of liberal colleagues think Hillary might be a good "kick-ass" SOS, however this is wishful thinking.The track record of this dangerous liberal is there for all to see - and by offering her this role, Obama not only keeps his enemies close to him but he also ensures that America's many enemies will start to feel the audacity of hope that comes from having a radical as Secretary Of State.
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He has selected two fairly centrist individuals for Sec of State and Treasury, and is apparently thinking of keeping Gates as Sec. of Defense. Very pragmatic since there can be no grace period once he takes over due to the urgency of the problems he will inherit from Bush.
A Clinton as SoS bodes ill for peace in the Middle East. She is and will probably continue to be a lackey of the Pro-Israel lobby in Washington, she mentions the "security" (= land-grabbing) wall only to praise it, and will continue the policy of carte-blanche for Israel that has brought and will bring so much misery to the region and shame to Israel.
By the way, only a complete fool would pick a cover like that for a biography. At least no-one can accuse Olson of disguising her loathing for her subject.
Mahons only an extremist would would call Hillary a centrist
and please post a list of the problems he is inheriting from Bush I would love to see it and an explanation of why what ever you put on that list is Bush's fault
Hillary is a centrist in the same sense as Obama is a moderate.
oh and Mrs Olsen was on the plane that didn't really hit the Pentagon she was one of the people the CIA made disappear even though her husband was US Solicitor General Ted Olson
I am an extremists? Troll you are traveling from sad figure to pathetic figure. Clinton is certainly considered a mainstream centrist candidate. If you don't know the problems Bush is leaving that perhaps explains your misunderstanding of the election.
David -she would not be a centrist on ATW, but in the real world she is considered fairly mainstream. Obama on the other hand is a liberal, as his voting record and public positions attest. However, he has yet to appoint the ultraliberals to his cabinet and seems unlikely to do so.
Mahons: "she would not be a centrist on ATW, but in the real world she is considered fairly mainstream. "
Sorry to disagree, old chap, us under a detente and all...but Hillary is only considered a centrist in Manhattan. In the rest of the 56 States(Manhattan being the 57 , she is considered pretty left of mainstream (remember her socialized health care?)
Geez...New Yorkers are really so provincial.
>>.but Hillary is only considered a centrist in Manhattan. In the rest of the 56 States.., she is considered pretty left of mainstream<<
And in the rest of the world she is considered to the right.
Who cares about what "internationalists" think - they are all left!
Sorry Mahons you don't get off that easy first of all bush wasn't in this last election something your politicians and the press managed to blind people of second if he was he would have run a better campaign than the traitor and probably would have won
No I want a list of these problems I know that what ever goes wrong in the next 4 yrs will be blamed on Bush by the new administration and the press but go through the record and tell me what are the problems he has caused.
It will be a very short list if any list at all
Patty - Clinton is considered a mainstream politician across the entire land (all 50 states and on you native planet of Mars - said with a smile). She does however bring rather caustic opposition (the late Barbara Oslon for one).
Troll - distance yourself further from reality if you must, but Bush's failures destroyed any chance that any Republican would have won, and his polling numbers are so low as to be difficult to even measure. His domestic and foreign policy failures make Carter look like Washington.
She does bring about some accurate opposition - the late Barbara Olsen for one! She's left for sure, I just wish she was left to wallow in all those fading glories of her charming husband.
David - well you touch on an actual point, Bill Clinton's speech for hire vocation has resulted in a potential conflict of interest, or at least an embarrassing postion should he continue. I presume he won't be able to keep taking checks from various countries and/or organizations.
On the bright side for me, the Clintons will spend less time in Chappaqua (a few towns away from me) and return to Washington, D.C., the perfect stage for their opera.
should read "important point".
Hillary is a centrist in the same sense as Obama is a moderate.
She may be a domestic liberal but she is a neo-liberal on the international stage. Obama has yet to prove whether he is a neo-liberal stooge or not. Judging by his imminent Treasury Sec pick Im leaning towards stooge.
I'm going to go out on a limb and support the Hillary pick. She did vote for the war, which will drive the far left crazy. She has been a good senator on the Armed Services committee, she knows the world and many world leaders. And she's as tough and coniving as the other leaders she'll be dealing with.
Hillary is Hillary-ist. That is about as far has her principles go.
'She does bring about some accurate opposition - the late Barbara Olsen for one! She's left for sure, I just wish she was left to wallow in all those fading glories of her charming husband.'
Barbara Olsen, was CNN's answer to Ann Coulter, that is when CNN was suffering from its inferiority complex and thought it needed to appeal to the right whinge looney element.
Speaking of charming husbands, Mr Olsen was the charming husband to 3 wives was it?
Speaking of charming husbands, Mr Olsen was the charming husband to 3 wives was it?
Whoops, it could be 5, according to some accounts.
Ah s much for the sanctity of marriage, eh?
'She is and will probably continue to be a lackey of the Pro-Israel lobby in Washington, she mentions the "security" (= land-grabbing) wall only to praise it, and will continue the policy of carte-blanche for Israel that has brought and will bring so much misery to the region and shame to Israel.'
I'm afraid you may be right Noel, especially if her Presidential ambitions are still intact.
But, I think we would be foolish to believe that any US politician is ever going to approach the Middle East in an even-handed manner, considering strength of the Israeli lobby in the US.
Hillary, a centrist? Plausible. Hillary,left wing? Laughable.
Well Pinky, since jihadists snuffed out one of his wives at 400 miles an hour on 9/11, how appropos is your comment?
congratulations to Charles for moving beyond a typical knee jerk Right wing reaction to Hillary and being prepared to accept a positive attitude to the appointment.
Even handed between the fireman and arsonist. How I love the left!
Thank you colm!
'Well Pinky, since jihadists snuffed out one of his wives at 400 miles an hour on 9/11, how appropos is your comment?'
About as appropriate as the comments on Hilary's marriage
(singular).
'congratulations to Charles for moving beyond a typical knee jerk Right wing reaction to Hillary and being prepared to accept a positive attitude to the appointment'
Don't let that Charles fool you Colm.
He is all geared up now for four more years of Hillary and Bill Hating. Taking Hillary OUT of the limelight, would kill half these right whinge loonies.
I still wait for a list of those failures Mahons as for the Presidents poll numbers they are still better than congresses
Damned if you do, or don't then, eh Pinks?
Troll,
Bush will soon be a distant memory- off to graze in his 18 million dollar house in Houston. or is it Austin?
Will you be dropping over for a beer with him?
One thing we do know, it is NOT Crawford- you can't REALLY live in a PROP.
LOL
'Damned if you do, or don't then, eh Pinks?'
Well of course.:-)
She wouldn't be my choice- I think it is a mistake- let the Clintons fade into the dustbin of history, along the Bush and Co., and move on.
I do understand the arguments for appointing her however.
Pinky
I believe Charles made that comment in good faith. Some here will attack Obama whatever he does just as many on the left reflexively attacked everything about the Bush administration. It is refreshing to see people prepared to be open minded to some of the decisions of their political opponents.
Thanks again Colm. IMO, Hillary is the best of the litter. Better than Kerry. The Clintons are going to be players in any Dem Admin. The question is were best to put her/him. And I like Hillary more than Obama. At least i know her background. Also, she's got balls.
'Pinky
I believe Charles made that comment in good faith.'
So do I !!!!
Charles, I wish they would just fade into memory, but its not to be.
Charles in Texas -
Hillary Rodham Antichrist certainly does have balls. Each time the President calls her in to the Oval Office for a chat, she'll be where her husband raped and assaulted women.
Let no-one say she isn't willing to suffer in the service of her country.
Colm -
In case anyone accuses me of not being open-minded about her, let me just add I think she's an authoritarian, thieving, commie and sociopath who shouldn't be allowed within a million miles of state power.
>>her husband raped and assaulted women.<<
Don't tell me you haven't raped and assaulted women in this way in your time!
PETE
You're mellowing ;)
'Charles in Texas -
Hillary Rodham Antichrist certainly does have balls. Each time the President calls her in to the Oval Office for a chat, she'll be where her husband raped and assaulted women.'
Charles, any objections to the above?
LOL I thought not.
Pinky, my thoughts are that the Dems are in charge and a Dem will be in charge of State. Hillary is the best they have for the job. Can you imagine Kerry going into a Russian negotiation? He'd get eaten alive. And Obama could have put in a left wing let's all hold hands across the world loonie. Hillary fits the bill.
'Can you imagine Kerry going into a Russian negotiation? He'd get eaten alive.'
Agreed, I am not sure who else it could have been. I still wish the Clintons and Bushes would fade into obscurity.
(I will note your one sided moralising, and sympathising though, and consider it thus).
"(I will note your one sided moralising, and sympathising though, and consider it thus)"
I haven't the slightest as to what that means.
Charles
I think Pinky was hoping you would condemn the remarks about Clinton raping women and his wife tolerating that.
Oh, that part's true Colm. Can't deny facts!
Well I'll leave you and pinky to fight that out :)
Nothing to fight about: Charles' hypocrisy is on display.
That's fine with me.
Yeah, yours too. You and the rest of the progressive Left who turned a blind eye to Bill Clinton's repeated attacks on women.
Jeez, you don't even have to be a feminist to recognise he shouldn't be left alone with a woman.
'Yeah, yours too. You and the rest of the progressive Left who turned a blind eye to Bill Clinton's repeated attacks on women.
Jeez, you don't even have to be a feminist to recognise he shouldn't be left alone with a woman.'
Repeated Attacks on Women? Have you some evidence of those Pete?
I don't punish Hillary b/c of her husband's actions. Jasus, what do the lefties want?
>>you don't even have to be a feminist to recognise he shouldn't be left alone with a woman.<<
You don't have to be a lawyer to recognise that if he really "raped and assaulted women" he'd be in prison.
Can't deny facts!
True, just like you can't deny that Mr. Olson from the right-whinge lynch mob is himself a serial Marrier(??). LOL
do we really have to go over all that 1990's stuff again?? The reason bill got in trouble was lying in a sexual harr, lawsuit.