Sunday
14Dec2008
HOLY SMOKE.....
Sunday, December 14, 2008 at 11:45PM 
With Bush banished and the new era of Obama-love descending deus ex Chicago machinus, interesting to see this is manifest even in Alaska --- with the news that a raging fire that police believe might have been set by an arsonist has badly damaged the church attended by Alaska governor and Republican former vice-presidential candidate Sarah Palin, causing about one million dollars in damage. Can you imagine the shock horror news coverage if Obama's church was set on fire .. ...? Sickening.
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How to render Chicago in Latin is an interesting question (at least to me). There are various different ways to form an adjective to a name of this sort (by chance it is a recognisable noun form) and I don't know which is right to use when. However a Roman might well have found the similarity to name of the great city Carthage striking. The Latin form is Carthago, with a long a in the second syllable and is itself a foreign name - (Punic via Greek, I think, while Wikipedia says that Chicago is the French rendering of an Indian name). This makes the use of a parallel form appealing. The adjective is Carthaginiensis so Chicaginiensis and so maybe deus ex machina Chicaginiensi.
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Well God did say a fire not a flood next time.
Actually, David raises a good point.
If Obama's house of worship ( either the Reverend Wright joint, or his new church) was burned by something looking like arson, we'd hear no end of palaver about " American racism ".
Sarah Palin's church is torched, and its a page five story.
Well for starters perhaps that is because she is a failed Vice Presidential Candidate as opposed to the President-Elect. And second, it is a minor story.
A "minor" story of what may be politically motivated arson against a church.
Things like this didn't used to be minor. Guess that's progress.
Phantom - as a story in the time of crushing economic crisis, two foreign wars not going all that well, terrorism, global unreast, it boggles the mind that this story isn't page 122. If some nut who loves her or some nut who hates her tried to burn her church it is wrong, and it is a nothing story in the overall scheme of things.
A first report from local media on the church burning
Five women, and possibly a couple of children, were inside the church when the firebombing took place. Someone could have died. This is not a small crime.
Imagine the international uproar if this had happened to Obama's church. This has all the earmarks of a political crime. I want to know who did this.
Some Egyptian journalist throwing a pair of shoes at George W Bush was a front page story. It's about political significance and who defines it. Palin's being targeted this way is major news, just as in the UK the arrest of a Conservative MP for obtaining leaks from Gvt was major news.
And by the way, Mahons, Iraq is actually going pretty darn well just now.
'Iraq is actually going pretty darn well just now'.
Just as well you have had long enough you mindless cretins. Reaping untold damage in the process and countless wasted young and local lives to get it 'going pretty darn good' Jesus Christ. It's a fiasco.
Bush is president so shoe throwing IS news.
A church fire is not news. Neither is that bitch Palin.
Ed T - Iraq is going about as well as a voyage on the Titanic. A respite it ot a resolution.
A respite is not a resolution.
Political acts of arson are things that I might expect in banana republics like Greece.
Here, it's news.
Phantom - this strikes me more as a celebrity act of arson than a political one. There certainly is no movement to burn out churches.
Well, we don't know yet, but my suspicions begin at the local moveon.org types. I bet it is 100% political by some angry lefty type- not mainstream, but there is every reason to suspect an isolated act caused by a political motive.
Phantom - at this point it is just as likely set by someone at the Church who craves attention, a lunatic rightwinger who wants sympathy for the right (recall the girl who carved a B into her face), someone infatuated with Palin etc. It is all just speculation.
I'm ok with that
Lets see where the investigation takes us.
A nothing story, for sure.
I really don't know where some of you guys are coming from...trying to burn down a church is NOT a nothing story. You know I have always been pro-American but of late with the stories coming out of the States and the latest re conning people out of millions of dollars..maybe American is the Great Satan afterall.
Maggie - It is a newsworthy story, the debate is more on the degree.
At least the left wing loonies here and elsewhere can't blame the Klu Klux Klan...were the Obamamaniac's church to be torched they would be the first group blamed.....obviously an Alaskan looney bin who voted Obama did this [Agreed: Druken Cyclist and the rest?]
"At least the left wing loonies here....."
and I thought this place was supposed to be a bastion of right-wingnuts ;D
No I don't agree. I don't think it's obvious at all who did it. But whoever it was, I hope they're caught and punished.
"were the Obamamaniac's church to be torched they would be the first group blamed"
Yeah the poor KKK. People are always bad-mouthing them!
Look as long as nobody threw shoes at the Church I think we will likely find out this is an isolated act and not part of a conspiracy.
Sammy - We don't know who did it yet. It could very well be someone who is a deluded supporter of Obama, it could be someone who is a deluded supporter of Palin, it could be someone who just likes to see fire trucks.
"left wing loonies"
I consider these words complimentary, coming from a bag of rubbish like yourself.
mahons does raise an interesting point by bringing up the crazy woman who branded herself and then claimed that an Obama supporter did it.
Lets see where the evidence leads.
I suspect it was Heat Miser.
I had to look that one up. Never heard of him before.
My buddy is going up there in a couple of weeks for a
Beer festival, and I will ask him to conduct an investigation.
I like beer but not enough to go to Alaska in January.
Phantom - Yes. That is what I call commitment to beer.
Mahons- the number of casualties the very large US contingent is taking in Iraq this month is the lowest since deployment in 03. It's averaging 0.27 per day, akin to that incurred from peace-time excercises when the large numbers are considered. When a US force of infidels can occupy an Arab country of 20+ millions and do so so peacefully, it's a triumph to anyone who has a perspective of history or societal differences.
As to casualties, I think that people miss a key dimension to the US-Islamic conflict in Iraq, which is Takeyya.
According to Islam review:
"The Arabic word, "Takeyya", means "to prevent," or guard against. The principle of Al Takeyya conveys the understanding that Muslims are permitted to lie as a preventive measure against anticipated harm to one's self or fellow Muslims. This principle gives Muslims the liberty to lie under circumstances that they perceive as life threatening. They can even deny the faith, if they do not mean it in their hearts."
Thus those, like Joe, who have swallowed whole quite untenable reports of Iraqi casualties, at least as regards the US activities, have been suckered, basically.
But Iraq is doing remarkably well, considering its bloody past under Saddam.
Ed - I am glad our casualties are down, but it isn't a lasting stability.
I hope that you're wrong. ( as do you )
There is much in the modern Iraq that could lead to a better society, many many many things that are better than they were ten years ago. Which is no time at all.
If the Sunni can reconcile themselves to not having absolute power
And if the Shia can not torment the Sunni as the Sunni tormented them
And if the Kurds can accept less than statehood
And if all can share the wealth
We're in!!
Granted, that is a part of the world where compromise isn't always in the dictionary. But this could be the acid test as to whether it is possible to have a democracy in an Arab land. I hope it happens.
"Can you imagine the shock horror news coverage if Obama's church was set on fire .. ...? Sickening."
The reaction would be similar to that of the little native rant in Los Angles when the police restrained Rodney Glen King.
BURN, BABY BURN!
One Troglodyte is just like another.....
Am I correct WILLIAM (DUBLIN)????