IMMIGRANTS ARE BETTER CITIZENS THAN BRITISH...
Friday, July 13, 2007 at 09:37AM Wonder what you make of the assertion by Keith Best, head of the Immigration Advisory Service - a government-backed charity which receives £13million of public money every year, that immigrants make better citizens than the British? Immigrants who have been granted citizenship include cleric Abu Hamza, who was jailed last year for incitement to murder.
I see the view propounded by Mr Best as entirely logical - if one is a self-loathing liberal. Of course immigrants are better than us, their hosts. Of course they make better citizens, especially when they refuse to assimilate into our society. Of course the fact that significant numbers of them seek to impose their laws on us is uplifting.
The Immigration Advisory service isn't worth one pence of taxpayer money. It should be closed down forthwith, now that we see the anti-British mindset of the man who runs it.
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Asserting that a particular ethnicity or group of ethnicities are better at a given endeavour than another ethnic group is discrimination. This would indicate the the use of the term equality in his organisations charters and publications is disingenuous, the above comment can only be seen as supremist.
I would wish to ask Mr Best in what particular aspects he feels native British people are predisposed to poor civic virtue, and in what particular ways the multiple minority ethnic groups are individually predisposed to be superior to their hosts in this regard ?
If they are in fact better citizens in general and in their totality, surely they must enjoy a richer society and it is we who should be seeking citizenship in their homelands to learn from these superior citizenries ?
If this is not the case, he has made an offensive, general denigration of the entire people and in his preference for aliens, this can only be regraded as threatening.
Many of my 'immigrant friends' for want of a better way to put it (outside EU these guys) would make better citizens without doubt. They already do. They work hard and want to make it, they are prouder of this country than anyone here for a start, their attitude is 'can do' not 'everyone elses fault' from the EU on and they they sing its praises rather than do it down (they relish what little i can tell em about its history, lol... and all read ATW. Its interesting to get their views and im thinking of asking one to do a guest post).
Its great to see them interact with Brit friends who tow the usual ya boo sucks line at everything and has changed a few perspectives. None of them claim any benefit or screw the system. They went through all the competition to get their jobs, which are available to anyone - and frankly deserve what they get.
Im not saying that all who arrive here have that mentality but when they arrive actively looking to fill jobs we have and dont fill ..its unfair to compare them to Abu Hamza. Its not the same thing.
crime and benifits delpendancy statistics throughout europe would indicate your friends are unusual.
we have countless groups to ensure the immigrants are treated to the upmost respect, how many immigrant groups have been estavlished to do the converse ?
They are not unusual at all. There are quite a few of them Juan, the services industry needs them like we need blood. You wouldnt get a Brit slaving away around tables in a restaurant and at corporate dinners from 7pm til 3am, go to school at 8am to learn english whilst filling the rest of your time sending off job applications to the City (for multi lingual IT jobs) as many do and sleeping 6 to a room. Not one of them claims benefits but they do get desperate when student visas run out. I know one about to go off to America now he has english and work experience after a desperate struggle to stay - the company wont sponsor him because they know that there are plenty more where he came from. It is important to make a distinction between the groups that want to work and those that arrive here to cause trouble and its pretty disgusting if we dont frankly.
Actually David.. Here is what he said
"These people have actively sought British citizenship because they want to make a contribution to the UK.
"I am not sure how many people born in this country have the same commitment. The tests for citizenship are greater than they have ever been.
"We are now turning immigrants into better citizens than people born with a British passport."
... how in the flip is that Anti-anything?
- So before you go off on your right wing rant of pure tripe... have a read at what you blogging about.
The tests for citizenship would completely dumbfound most Brits. I can post the questions if you like
they sound positively ideal.
" You wouldnt get a Brit slaving away around tables in a restaurant and at corporate dinners from 7pm til 3am,"
- this statement on those lazy arrogant Brits is presumably made on the back of the same exhaustive research you've made into the polar opposite, perfect, immigrants.
Many British People work very hard, and many immigrants do not. When I think back on my own father working 2 jobs and sitting a part time HND, and indeed when I look out the window at 80 Hours + a week bankers, lawyers etc., and trades men who have been at it since 5 in the morning, I find your views hurtful and antagonistic, and if they are true it simply serves to illustrate how far cultural dilution and equivalence with third world groups has pushed us from our higher capacities. Historically the British work ethic was world renowned, and is only not now due to the constant denigration illustrated above. Your nasty and unfounded views of the British people are without foundation, and if what you suggest is the case, why not go and live among the industrious hard working people from some of these immigrant localities ?
"It is important to make a distinction between the groups that want to work and those that arrive here to cause trouble and its pretty disgusting if we dont frankly."
I think trying to asses the worth of people based on the workings of their cultural groups rather than their merit as an individual (excluding of course negative philosophies applied by groups of individuals such as, lets say, national socialism, wherein the worth of the individual can be appraised by their voluntary adherence to this, in British terms, immoral philosophy) is pretty distasteful and irrelevant that the suggestion that those who have the right to profit from a nation are those with loyalty to the responsibilities of its care and who care for it's pre-eminence exclusively
"These people have actively sought British citizenship because they want to make a contribution to the UK. "
a blatant distortion, we are not a charity case, these people came here to avail themselves of privileges and luxury. Whether they do so responsibly and considerately is incidental to this fact.
"I am not sure how many people born in this country have the same commitment"
an unfounded generalisation and pure slander, when we remember the veterans and those serving the crown in our armies even now, whilst immigrants plan acts of terror on the same nation that bestowed mercy and privilege upon then, infuriating.
"The tests for citizenship would completely dumbfound most Brits. I can post the questions if you like"
as they would most people who had not been directly coached in the answers prior to the test.
the question, "are you prepared to die in defence of her Majesty and the nation?" would be slightly more clear cut.
Too little too late I'm afraid. These 'citizenship' tests are a fairly recent invention. I used to be proud of this country but, sad to say, it's getting harder to be all the time. At least I'm not proud of the Britain that Keith Best represents, or the one Neo Labour are busy creating. I suspect these immigrants are signing up to a very different Britain to the one I knew. The mythical 'let's all hold hands multicultural dream' has failed as far as I'm concerned. The country is becoming seriously fractured.
Keith Best's statement is highly suspect in so many ways. I doubt he has any evidence, for the sweeping generalisation, that 'these people have actively sought British citizenship because they want to make a contribution to the UK'. More likely is that most of them come from a largely disfunctional and poor society and want to better themselves. Fair enough. That some of them have a desire to contribute and play by the rules when they get here is to be welcomed, I suppose, but it's a very different thing to what he's suggesting. It doesn't change the fact that there are already far too many immigrants in this country. Including many who have no real love for Britain. There are even some who actively want to destroy it. Britain's full, thanks very much. We don't want even denser towns and cities and large areas of green belt land developed just because of utterly unnecessary immigration policy.
Alision how many of these people do you actually work along side. Through personal experience those that have arrived very recently in Belfast are not behind the door in letting everyone around them do it. Infact I know of one care home on last news years eve had the clients in there locked in bedrooms while the polish workers got absolutely legless. There was a huge social services investigation into it, and they were all paid off. Many ordinary vulnerable people are being put at risk because these people cannot communicate with mentally retarded individuals, thus putting their health and safety at risk.
They gather among their own, speak in a foreign language, take all they can get from the health education and housing systems, and send most of their money out of the country. I know of one black man who has taken more time off on the sick since he started a year ago, than I have in over a decade.
I'm not saying they are all like this, but the comments coming from someone in Mr Bretts are offensive and he should be taken to task for it. I hope someone challenges his remarks.
looks like we are not all as lucky as Alison in our interactions,
or maybe we are lying, we are bunch of arrogant feckless lay about after all.
As I said guys you want to write them all off you will reap what you sow by way of a return attitude
Alison, personally I was quite relaxed about immigration to begin with. I had and still have some friends and acquaintances who are ethnic minorities (although not for long as it will soon be me who's the ethnic minority in my particular neighbourhood). My position changed when I came to realise that massive amounts of immigration also had many detrimental effects. A modest level of immigration and subsequent assimilation into British/English culture is one thing. Wholeale replacement of large areas of our country is another. The levels experienced under Neo labour have been neither necessary or desirable. Something has changed in me and my previous acceptance has gone. I don't like what has happened and why should I pretend otherwise? I don't blame immigrants for trying their luck but I do blame the insane far left Marxist idiots in power at the moment.