Is European Civil War Inevitable By 2025? – Part Two
(In the latest of his series of essays, author Paul Weston continues his examination of the concept of the inevitability of a European civil war.)
Part one of this article was an explanation of why our ratio of combat age native Europeans V European Muslims could decline from 18:1 today, to 2:1 by 2025. These figures are largely irrelevant if one believes that Islam can peacefully co-exist within the West, but if such a scenario is simply a multicultural fantasy then we will shortly face a situation unprecedented in the history of mankind.
Europeans have been conditioned from an early age to celebrate diversity and multiculturalism, resulting in our genuine ability to co-exist with peoples of significantly different cultures. But, rather than what we want, is this what Islam wants? Islam is as mono-cultural as mono-cultural gets. How can they possibly live in a liberal, multicultural society?
Islam expanded via the sword. Within decades of erupting out of the deserts of 7th Century Arabia it had conquered Palestine, Persia, Egypt, India, North Africa and Spain; it’s opponents paralysed in the face of fanatical violence. It was only in 732 that Charles Martel stopped this frenetic Islamic expansion at the battle of Tours, in France.
In the 13th century Islam rose again. In 1452 they finally conquered Constantinople, the capital of the Byzantine Empire, and within 100 years added Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Bosnia, Albania, Romania and Hungary to their empire. Attempts to take Vienna failed twice, before Jan Sobieski finally routed the Ottoman’s Islamic army in 1683 at the Gates of Vienna. The Ottoman Empire gradually fell apart after this defeat, and most occupied European countries reclaimed their independence. Christian Europe had largely prevailed.
But now, in the 21st Century, Islam is back and wants what it has always wanted; a global caliphate. This time, unlike their previous attempts to overthrow the West militarily, they are already within Europe, well funded, radicalised, rapidly expanding, and as their numbers grow, so grows the violence they perpetrate, as we have seen all over Europe within the last few years.
And not only within Europe; Islam is engaged in religious conflict all around the world, from America, Nigeria, Somalia, Sudan, Thailand, the Philippines, Indonesia, Kashmir, India, Russia, the Lebanon, Palestine, etc etc. Wherever Islam comes into contact with non-Islam there is conflict.
In each and every country, one glaring reality stands out. It is always Islam as the aggressor, even when they are in a minority of 5% such as Thailand, a country sliding inexorably toward civil war. Such is the prevalence of Islamic violence that Samuel Huntingdon, author of The Clash Of Civilisations coined the phrase “Islam’s bloody borders” the violence of which is represented by Gates Of Vienna’s animated Bloody Borders project which identifies Islamic terrorist activity since 9/11.
Why do Islamists do this? Because they are commanded to, it is as simple as that. To be a Muslim means to obey the Koran, within which there are numerous commands to wage Jihad, or Holy War, against the infidel. Granted, there is no single explicit command, but it is possible to interpret many as such, which is exactly what radical Imams are doing all across the West. Unlike a modern day Christian’s tenuous relationship with the Bible, Muslims adhere to every edict of the Koran as slavishly as they did in the 7th Century. Unfortunately for us, the principal edict is to conquer all non-believers.
To this end there are now some 2,000 Mosques in Western Europe, many of them funded directly by Saudi Arabia to the tune of 90 billion dollars in which Imams - trained or imported from Saudi Arabia - preach extreme Wahhabism. They call for the overthrow of the West, and promote suicide bombing and martyrdom. Channel Four recently sent an undercover reporter into various Mosques in the UK, which exposed Imams in their call for Holy War against the West, which can be seen here on Youtube. CNN also ran an interview with Al-Muhajiroun’s Anjem Choudray, where he calls for Sharia law in Britain. He also prophesised that the Islamic flag will fly over 10 Downing Street.
The concept of Sharia law is not fully understood by the majority of Europeans. Under it they could be killed if they refused to convert to Islam or accept second-class status known as Dhimmitude. Homosexuals could similarly be killed, apostates killed, adulterous woman stoned to death, whilst limbs could be amputated for stealing. 40% of British Muslims wish this to be introduced.
What percentage of that 40% are young males? Muslim women have a great deal to be unhappy about under Sharia law, whilst older Muslims are far less radicalised than the young. It is quite possible therefore, that young males with a favourable view of Sharia constitute a higher figure than the 40% suggests.
So, Islam has a history of attempted Western conquest, and a present day policy of global domination, for which they are happy, in countries such as Sudan, to perpetrate genocide. In the West, their Jihadist rhetoric is accompanied by large-scale violence such as 9/11, the London tube bombings, the Madrid train bombings, and the lesser violence such as the murder of Theo Van Gogh, the indescribable torture and murder of Ilan Halami, the rape of European women as described by Fjordman, the civil unrest in France, where police claim they are in the midst of a civil war, and the death threats made against politicians who speak out against them, such as Gert Wilders.
Faced with this relentless tidal wave of Islamic aggression, what is the response of Europe’s ruling elites? Craven submission is the answer. In France the politicians promise more money for the banlieus, within which Sharia law operates and no white European dare set foot. In Spain they gathered in squares after the Madrid train bombing and held candle-lit peace vigils, before voting out their Government and replacing it with one more in tune to the Islamists demands. In Holland, the Dutch justice minister, Piet Hein Donner has no objection to Sharia law being imposed, providing it is done democratically, and in Sweden, integration minister Jens Orback declared: “We must be open and tolerant towards Islam and Muslims because when we become a minority, they will be so towards us.”
After the London tube bombings, the government’s immediate response was to worry not about the English, but about the terrible oppression the perpetrators must have suffered from in order to commit such a crime. Much to our rulers dismay, the “fabulous four” were educated and middle class; their drive was Islam, not oppression. In British schools the Holocaust is no longer taught because it runs counter to the Holocaust denial beliefs of Muslims, whilst British historian David Irving was imprisoned for holding the same views as that of the Muslims. Our teaching unions are also of the opinion that the idea of teaching British values is racist, and the BBC is so viciously anti-Christian and pro-Islamic that there is simply not the space here to detail it, it requires an article on it’s own, and a lengthy article at that. (This is one of the more imponderable pathologies the BBC exhibits, considering the corporation has more than it’s fair share of homosexuals and feminists.)
There are many, many more examples of Islamic aggression and European appeasement, but the general thrust is one of overwhelming submission on our part. European politicians are clearly terrified of Islam. As well they might be. So, what can be done? Can Islam be contained, or is Europe drifting inexorably to all out civil war?
Essentially, there are five options. The first is that Islam integrates within Europe’s liberal democracies and we all live happily ever after. This scenario takes no account of the moral sewer that Liberal policies have turned Europe into; a Europe which Islam, quite understandably, views with revulsion. Nor does it take into account that Islam today is the same as Islam in the 7th century. Why should they reform now? Given the increasing radicalisation of Muslim youth and the disturbing numbers who agree with terrorist activity, this scenario is only possible within the mindset of deluded, ignorant liberals, whose naiveté is suicidal in the extreme. Option one can therefore be discounted.
The second option is that Islam quietly takes over demographically through sheer weight of numbers, and Europe is islamised under Sharia law. Bernard Lewis and Mark Steyn think this inevitable, Steyn being of the opinion that any country capable of the type of appeasement prevalent in Europe today, is also a country incapable of rousing a defence. Although this is a possibility, it is unlikely we will not fight back, so option two can also be discounted.
The third option is that Europe wakes up to the danger it is in and expels all it’s Muslims. This is not going to happen; the European Union positively embraces Islam, as noted in Bat Ye’Or’s book Eurabia (thankfully abridged by Fjordman). Not only does the EU have no intention of such an action, they will not even stop further Islamic immigration. The 2.2 million predominately Muslim immigrants they wish to bring into Europe each and every year up to 2050 is a done deal as far as they are concerned.
Indeed, in an extract from this disturbing report published by the European Policy Centre, the EU seeks immigration not only for economic reasons but also for social reasons: “However, the arguments against immigration remain dominant in the political debates of many European countries, and must be taken seriously and challenged if immigration is to keep its place on the social and economic agenda.” Whilst this attitude prevails we can discount option three.
The fourth option is that moderate Muslims reclaim their peaceful religion from the “fundamentalists”, who, as we are told over and over again by our media, are not representative of Islam. But where exactly are these moderate Muslims, what power do they wield within Islam as a whole? When have we seen marches and protests organised by them, waving banners reading “Not in my name” or “Not in the name of Islam?” They are as cowed by the radicals as are our politicians, or perhaps they are in agreement with them, but are squeamish when it comes to spilling blood. The only face of Islam we see or hear in the West is that of the violent Jihadist. As such, option four can be discounted.
The fifth option is that we resist the Islamic take over, and fight back. I disagree with Lewis and Steyn, who both appear to think Europe will roll over and submit. The wholesale and unprecedented racial and cultural transformation of a continent with a history of violent warfare will simply not happen without confrontation.
As options one, two, three and four can therefore be discounted; we are left only with option five, to fight. Whilst it is unfortunate that we should be confronted by an expanding, youthful culture with a set of beliefs they will die for, just at the time we are demographically declining, ageing, and apparently only believe in shopping, celebrity and alcohol, does not mean that we will not fight. We will simply have to. Not for domination, but for survival.
E. Raymond Hall, professor of biology at the University of Kansas, is the author of the definitive work on American wildlife, Mammals of North America. He states as a biological law that, "two subspecies of the same species do not occur in the same geographic area." (Emphasis in the original.) Human races are biological subspecies, and Prof. Hall writes specifically that this law applies to humans just as it does to other mammals: "To imagine one subspecies of man living together on equal terms for long with another subspecies is but wishful thinking and leads only to disaster and oblivion for one or the other."
The history of man is essentially a history of warfare, where territory, tribe or religion drives the impetus for conquest. That our ruling liberal elites in the West today believe that history, current reality and the law of nature no longer apply to us, does not mean the end of warfare, rather, it simply makes it easier for those who wish to wage war against us. The idea that wars are a thing of the past is so fantastical that only liberals, who place fantasy over reality, could believe it.
Islamic terrorist activity is being constantly thwarted by European intelligence services, but over the next ten years some of these Jihadists will slip through the net and carry out their next atrocity. Although most Europeans are still in a deep liberal sleep regarding Islam, this will not last. By 2017 the tensions between Europeans and Islam will be nerve jangling and will be accompanied by ever-stricter government controls to keep societal order.
Somewhere between 2017 and 2030, during a period of heightened tension, Islamists in either France, Holland or Britain will blow up one church, train or plane too many, and we will retaliate. They will then retaliate, the police will be unable to cope, the army will be drafted in but will find themselves massively outnumbered and outflanked, civilians will be massacred and so a civil war will start.
When the violence starts for real, each and every person, be they moderate or extremist will be forced to take sides, and moderate Muslims will of course take the sides of the extremists. It will be a war entirely different to Europe’s previous wars, which were fought by standing armies along clearly delineated lines. Next time, it will initially be civilians, armed not with tanks and machine guns, but with knives, bombs and terror, who will fight it.
I say initially, because although the army will be of little use in the beginning, they will certainly be capable of forming an impregnable line, behind which the native Europeans, unused to knife fighting, will flee and re-group. And then, enter America, as always, Europe’s saviour. Whilst Europe’s navies blockade the ports, America will deliver weaponry to the Europeans against which Islam will have no response. Whilst they are being annihilated in response to the butchery they carried out in the early days of the war, Muslim countries such as Pakistan and Iran will threaten a nuclear response. If they do, they too will be annihilated.
Such is the future brought about by multiculteralist liberals. Not only will they be responsible for bloodshed unseen even in the last century, they will also be responsible for the extinction of Islam. In 1907 no one could see the coming carnage, whereas in 2007 all educated people with a knowledge of history can see the inevitable coming war. Quite how large it becomes is of course beyond any prediction, but rather than being merely a European war, it could well become a global nuclear war against Islam; and one they have no hope of winning.
Such a scenario is unimaginable to the vapid multiculteralist, but it is their actions, past and present, which will bring it about. One can hardly blame Islam for wishing to dominate the world, but one can certainly blame liberals for giving them the geographical means and ideological confidence whereby they feel that it is actually possible. Will they attempt it? On a small scale, with their ratio of 18:1 they are attempting it now. How do you think they will behave with a ratio of 5:1 let alone 2:1?
The liberal response to an article such as this is to make accusations of hysteria and paranoia. To those, I would say only one thing: Rather than leave sneering one line comments, write a 1,000 word article as to why the scenario outlined above is not inevitable, incorporating reality rather than ideology. I believe it is utterly inevitable, and a tragedy for the West, for Islam, for all of mankind. Please refute it. I really would like it not to be the case.
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I would agree that large minorities of Muslims in Europe will and do have a noticable and often negative impact (in the opinion of the majority) and that it is unlikely that the radicalisation of Muslims will suddenly end. The majorities views are ignored by the elite and untouchable Eurocrats. Turkey in the EU....no thanks but my view counts for nothing as democracy is selectively respected.
Turkey will join the EU. It may radicalise, it my not but it will certainly serve as a gateway to terrorism IMO.
I suppose I am really saying I don't agree with your predictions of events but possibly have sympathy with your opinions on the cultural impact of migration. And I am unsure why you didn't mention Turkey.
I collated demographics from the US Census to come up with figures.
If you look at part one of this article, there is a link to a table at the end.
It part one, I do indeed mention Turkey.
An article by a U.S. auther called Ralph Peters, written towards the backend of last year, profoundly disagreed with Mark Steyn over his gloomy view of Europes pending demographic eclipse.
Ralph Peters thinks Europe is just marking time and waiting for the starting gun, before embarking on it's age old tradition of suddenly turning nasty on those it considers a threat to itself.
I know Mr.Smith has seen this article, and dismisses it, but if you can get to read it, post it, out of interest if nothing else. It'll make a good antidote and alternative voice to your prediction.
I have read the Ralph Peters article you refer to.
I'm not sure it is an alternative voice to my prediction, we both think that Europe will thoroughly destroy Islam.
Peters seems to think this is because we are viciously agressive, whereas I think it will be forced upon us in order to survive.
In this we differ, but the outcome is the same. Total destruction of Islam.
How do you achieve this without genocide
As in how do you destroy a religion without destroying its followers....
and the alternative is what exactly?
>>>But where exactly are these moderate Muslims, what power do they wield within Islam as a whole?<<<
thatll be the majority, who are getting on with life just like the rest of us.
>>>E. Raymond Hall, professor of biology at the University of Kansas, is the author of the definitive work on American wildlife, Mammals of North America. He states as a biological law that, "two subspecies of the same species do not occur in the same geographic area." (Emphasis in the original.) Human races are biological subspecies, and Prof. Hall writes specifically that this law applies to humans just as it does to other mammals: "To imagine one subspecies of man living together on equal terms for long with another subspecies is but wishful thinking and leads only to disaster and oblivion for one or the other."<<<
resources are the biggest factor. animals or humans.
>>>In this we differ, but the outcome is the same. Total destruction of Islam.<<<
so what do we do? wait for civil war or nip it in the bud now?
Politically correct liberalism IS a sucidal ideology.
The liberalism that produced the West was Classical liberalism. That is the only alternative.
The majority of Russians, Germans and Chinese just got on with life. That did not stop their countries being hijacked by the violent minority who went on to kill over 100 million people.
Nip it the bud now by peaceful deportation, or wait for the slaughter to begin. The Humane choice is obvious, but we will wait and hope for the best, rather like Chamberlain and Hitler.
I am only glad I am not a politician, it is an impossible choice.
If we win, it will be through destroying Islam to the point where they are incapable of further agression.Were we to lose,Islam would commit genocide against us to the point of eradication, just as they are now doing to the Sudanese Africans in the Dharfur region.
Such an apocalyptic future could have been averted if our politicians knew a little more about history, specifically the history of Islam, which has been in perpetual conflict in their desire for conquest from day one to today.
it was an appalling mistake to allow Islam into the West. Multiculturalism is an ideology, not a reality.
Many thanks for your latest article here on ATW. As someone who takes a Steynish view, I find your analysis interesting and thought provoking. Its good when readers challenge, concur or endorse, but best of all debate it.
by peaceful you mean out of your line of sight or at the very least, late at night? im sure they could use the islamic calender to expidite the process.
>>>,Islam would commit genocide against us to the point of eradication, just as they are now doing to the Sudanese Africans in the Dharfur region.<<<
remove religion from the equation and you will still have factions vying for control of scarce resources.
OK Paul...if the other alternative is slaughter and genocide, then I for one am willing to contribute £1 to have you peacefully deported.
LOL. consider the fund doubled.
"There is a sixth option: Conversion of muslims to Christianity and get rid of the non-converts. Conversions of muslims to Christianity in Africa is underway. Europe needs to move away from secularism before that occurs and the churches need to take the lead."
Oh all right, let's invoke the seventh option then. Let's convert them all to atheism. No paradise = no suicide bombers.
Sorted.
If the Godless hordes came up with a viable plan to convert muslims to atheism, and demonstrated the balls to carry it out, I'd give them a hand.
Unfortunately we atheists don't travel about as "hordes". You'll generally find us quietly going about our business in a civilized manner and not doing anyone any harm at all.
Godless hordes! Whatever were you thinking? :0)
I'll take your doubled fund and raise you £1,000-00 which I will happily pay into a charity of your choice, on the proviso that you can refute, in an intelligent manner, the thrust of the article.
You will clearly have to do considerably better than the witless remarks I have read to date on this site from the pair of you.
Your rebuttal should take the form of a 1,000 word essay, as I mentioned at the end of my article, in a vain attempt to keep cretins like you off the board.
The money is on the table chaps. Do your best, I await your words of wisdom with great interest.
Deport them or destroy them ? Would I be right ?
Now, deporting them is one option, but I suppose you will expect a retaliatory reaction from them, so you can expect all western interests in the middle east to be kicked out..right ?
The alternative is total destruction of Islam, which in effect is a total destruction of those believers in Islam.. so lets all be honest about this, you are talking about murdering millions of people... am I wrong here ?
Ive done a quick google on Islam and there are some 1.4 billion odd believers according to the first wiki site I found (yes, not the most reliable, I know), anyway to continue the thread... So, how many of those 1.4 billion would need to be killed to get it to the "point where they are incapable of further aggression"
I mean, seriously, have you even followed your logic to its conclusion.
Go on, if you believe in your thesis so strongly, give us a figure, how many of those 1.4 billion would need to be killed.....
This is your level of debate, Paul?
Conversion is not a matter of force. It is helping people see there is a better way than what they currently believe. As I said above, conversion from muslim to Christian is ongoing in Africa, to a sizable number according to The New Oxford Review. Not much is said about conversion of muslims and that is a loss for them and for us in Europe, North America and wherever muslim and non-muslim reside in proximity.
"I'll take your doubled fund and raise you £1,000-00 which I will happily pay into a charity of your choice, on the proviso that you can refute, in an intelligent manner, the thrust of the article."
Sadly anyone dumb enough to bet £1000 that what you wrote can't be refuted probably isn't smart enough to recognise that refutation.
But it doesn't take 1,000 words, nor even an essay:
>>>The Gallup findings indicate that, in terms of spiritual values and the emphasis on the family and the future, Americans have more in common with Muslims than they do with their Western counterparts in Europe.
A large number of Muslims supported the Western ideal of democratic government. Fifty per cent of radicals supported democracy, compared with 35 per cent of moderates.
Religion was found to have little to do with radicalisation or antipathy towards Western culture. Muslims were condemnatory of promiscuity and a sense of moral decay. What they admired most was liberty, its democratic system, technology and freedom of speech. <<
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article1415550.ece
(And these are Muslims in Muslim countries)
Agreed New Yorker. But nobody can expect to convert 1 Billion odd people to some form of Christian religion.
Talk like some of the comments above is just downright scary.
Young Muslims may pose as radicals but overwhelmingly they are westerners and are not interested in suicidal martyrdom.(and the exception of 7/7 doesn't change that) . In 50 years time the Muslim populations of Western Europe will be virtually indistinguishable in lifestyle attitudes and cultural behaviours than their non-muslim neighbours. When Enoch Powell made his 'Rivers of blood' speech in the late 60s he was thinking more of a white v black colour war and not religous battles but few nowadays talk about 'the blacks taking over' as in Jamaicans, West Indians, Indians etc, it's all Muslims Mulsims Muslims.
I hugely doubt There will be a Muslim v non-Muslim civil war in Europe , the tensions as exist will inevitably calm down as they always do in time when new communities settle down after generations and it doesn't need a lenghthy 1000 word article to point that out.
Mind you, it took you three hefty paragraphs to say it :0)
OK I will shrink it down to one sentence of 6 words.
Is Paul Weston's prediction correct? No!
The article you link to seems a rather peculiar one to use in order to provide a counter-argument.
If you read it again you will find it also says "While there was widespread support for Sharia law..." As the imposition of Sharia law is not something we will voluntarily put up with, this should give you some cause for thought.
I am also concerned that you find 50% of radicals who do not believe in democracy reassuring.
Colm
I did in fact mention integration, in option one, of our possible 5 options. if you re read the article, you will see why I dismissed it.
Islam has not changed in 1,300 years, they live their lives by the Koran, and the koran requires societies in which Muslims live to be governed by Sharia law.
When Muslim demographics reach a certain level, this is what they try to achieve, and this is why there is Muslim violence all over the world today.
Ask a Hindu how well Islam integrated into their society, and whether he thinks they will assimilate into the decadent West.
Listen chaps, this is really important, some of you seem to have no idea what Islam stands for and is capable of. There are plenty of books written about it, read them.If you want to know which ones, then ask me, I will be happy to provide a list.
Will things change? I think they will on these shores, but not necessarily on the continent. It will only be though when sufficient numbers of people within this nation collectively decide that all these trends together need to be reversed. The only real hope (in my view) is that the people wake up to what is going on and become concerned about it.
I don't doubt much of what you say about Islam as a faith but I am talking about actual people. The young affluent westernised sons and daughters of Pakistani immigrants you see on our streets today are not the same as their parents. They speak fluent English , enjoy Western liberal pastimes , Music fims TV etc. and while they may profess when interviewed to being devout to Allah and being loyal Muslim 'brothers' they are not, and they won't give up these Western freedoms to miserable lifeless Sharia law anymore than your average white European would. That is the real future. They will become in time nominally 'Muslims' only in the same way that most white Westerners are nominally 'Christians'.
"The article you link to seems a rather peculiar one to use in order to provide a counter-argument."
Not really since it shows that religiosity and radicalisation lack correlation, and your proposition requires the opposite.
The whoosh and boom sounds you heard were the point flying over your head, and your thesis being shot down, respectively.
The young are more radical than their parents today. If they are to truly adapt to the West, it means they must renounce Islam.
Like you, I can only hope that they become Westernised, but I am afraid it is just that. Hope.
To dismiss the 40% who wish Britain to be governed by Sharia law is not realistic.
Do you honestly think that the ending of Civilisations and the emergence of wars is something consigned to the history books?
If you fail to realise the implication of a majority favouring Sharia law, then there is little point in continung this discussion.
All the best
Paul, your predictions are bleak but I doubt if even a small number will come true. Like Asimov's Mule, there'll always be a mutation that no one will have allowed for. Colm is quite right to remind us that Enoch Powell erred. I believe you'll be proven wrong for similar reasons, assimilation being one of the most important.
I guess, deep down, they know, (as he knew) that the British have no real stomach to fight their corner anymore; two great wars saw to that. But he felt compelled to give out the warning in the hope that it would re-kindle a lost confidence in themselves.
He did'nt bank on the new power of Liberalism that would sweep this country, and the West.
"If you fail to realise the implication of a majority favouring Sharia law"
If you think 40% of a minority is a majority then the good news is that I am willing to sell you some stock.
Just sign over the deeds of your house to me and I will get you a "majority" shareholding in Google.
Deal?
Of course predictions are just that predictions, but sometimes they are correct.
There were plenty of German Jew's, who predicted in the late 1920's that Hitler was bad news. That was an informed prediction, they had read Mein Kampf.
Their offspring now reside around the world, principally in America.
Many did not predict it, they have no offspring living anywhere.
I have read the Koran, I have studied countless books written not by fascists but by Islamic scholars. hence my prediction.
I am going to do my best to get this information out for 1 more year, but I must admit it is hard. I feel like a Rabbi standing in the Potsdammerplatz, being heckled by Jews even as I warn them, as Hitler and his brownshirts march past.
If I am wrong, we have nothing to worry about. if I am right we all have a great deal to worry about, which is why I urge everyone to read up about Islam, it is just too important an issue not to know inside out.
<i>In 50 years time the Muslim populations of Western Europe will be virtually indistinguishable in lifestyle attitudes and cultural behaviours than their non-muslim neighbours.</i>
I sure as hell hope so, but i'm afraid that right now there is just no evidence for this. A close family friend of my parents' used to be the imam at our local mosque. He resigned out of frustration five years ago at what he saw as the increased radicalisation of the young Pakistani second and third generation community. The stories he has told us would depress you enormously.
I am afraid you are seeing the world as you wish it to be, rather than as it actually is.
You get it wrong yet again. I made no mention of 40% being a majority. It referred to the article you so lazily cited, which stated "widespread support for Sharia law"
Do please try to read things properly and stop treating everything as a game of "I'm cleverer than you."
You are ill informed and intellectually lazy, and to be honest, tiresome in the extreme.
This will be my last response to you.
"There were plenty of German Jew's, who predicted in the late 1920's that Hitler was bad news. That was an informed prediction, they had read Mein Kampf."
And there were plenty of Germans who believed Hitler when he said Jews were bad news, with predictable results.
I know which one you remind me of more.
"I made no mention of 40% being a majority. It referred to the article you so lazily cited, which stated "widespread support for Sharia law""
"Widespread support" among a minority isn't a majority either, dumbass.
"Do please try to read things properly"
Smirk.
"You are ill informed and intellectually lazy"
Wow, and still you can't manage to refute my arguments? You must really be shite!
"This will be my last response to you."
LOL! In other words, declare victory and run away.
"The annoying thing for prophets is that only very rarely can trends be predicted. The future will invariably look very different from the way we picture it, which is why we aren't driving atomic cars and vacationing on Saturn, as was prophesied in the 1950s."
It's true that predictions of anything to do with humans, be it culture or technology, are hard to predict with any accuracy, but it's still fun and makes for good discussion. It's also the only way to make decisions.
"E. Raymond Hall, professor of biology at the University of Kansas, is the author of the definitive work on American wildlife, Mammals of North America. He states as a biological law that, "two subspecies of the same species do not occur in the same geographic area." (Emphasis in the original.) Human races are biological subspecies, and Prof. Hall writes specifically that this law applies to humans just as it does to other mammals: "To imagine one subspecies of man living together on equal terms for long with another subspecies is but wishful thinking and leads only to disaster and oblivion for one or the other.""
Racist horseshit. All humans now living belong to the same subspecies, homo sapiens sapiens. All of the other subspecies of homo sapiens are extinct.
Not only that, but as we are constantly reminded in rightworld, Islam isn't a race (though conveniently, Arab is).
Given all that, this paragraph is a really odd and revealing outburst from Mr Weston.
Here's the expanded quote from Raymond Hall:
>>>.But, is this competition necessary? To invite it by permitting the immigration of Orientals, and to foster it by granting citizenship on the North American mainland to Orientals seems foolish and violates every biological law, of recent and past geological ages, that relates to the harmonious existence of two or more subspecies of the same species. To imagine one subspecies of man living together on equal terms for long with another subspecies is out wishful thinking and leads only to disaster and oblivion for one or the other. More to the point at the moment, such a course and its inescapable consequence insure in the process of solution either bloodshed and violence or a more insidious competition in which racial prejudice, and fancied superiority, set over against alleged inferiority, come to the surface with all of the associated evils that poison men's minds, sicken their bodies and torture their souls.<<<
"I have to agree Frank. There's no place in reasoned debate bringing in the word "sub-species" when talking about people of different cultures."
There is nothing unreasonable about this.
Red Deer and Fallow Deer, Red Squirrels and Grey squirrels, both are examples of sub species deriving from the same species. Neither mix together,they attack each other. This is simply a fact.
Asians, Africans and Caucasions are similarly sub species of the same species.
As such, I am a sub species myself.
Just because we are humans does not mean we are no longer mammals.
Stop being so hysterical.
If reality is to be denied because it offends precious sensibilities then we cannot possibly have "reasoned debate"
Talking about sub species smacks of eugenics. i think it's best to talk of competing cultures.
Religion was found to have little to do with radicalisation or antipathy towards Western culture. Muslims were condemnatory of promiscuity and a sense of moral decay. What they admired most was liberty, its democratic system, technology and freedom of speech."
Frank, do you look for fairies at the bottom of the garden as well? The idea that more self-styled 'radical' Islamists supposedly supported democracy than the 'moderates' just proves what a piece of nonsense this poll is! Oh look, what a surprise, the banner headline is all about how everyone hates the nasty Americans.
From the article:
"While there was widespread support for Sharia, or Islamic law, only a minority wanted religious leaders to be making laws. Most women in the predominantly Muslim countries believed that Sharia should be the source of a nation’s laws, but they strongly believed in equal rights for women."
Two utterly contradictory propositions in one paragraph. How can even you seriously cite this as a credible source?
What nobody seems to be talking about is how and most important of all *why* we got here. How this sometimes almost cartoonish enemy has got here in our midst and become so very powerful and polarising. There's a passage in one of my favourite fantasy series in which a character explains to his subordinate why he is letting the very dangerous loose cannon of a central character run around unmolested, causing mayhem and scaring the crap out of the general populace. Because, he says, if you let a rabid lion loose in the streets people will let you take whatever measures are necessary to contain it, and then will be so grateful afterwards that they will let you continue taking those measures as a precaution just in case it gets loose again.
Think on it.
To return briefly to predictions. Short-term ones can be accurate. For instance, I predict that Ahmadinejad will be very bad for Iran, as Hitler was for Germany. Long-term forecast for Iran for 20, 30, 40 years? Who can say?
Re your outrageous remarks on subspecies. Next you'll be telling us that tensions between two subspecies caused the Troubles in Northern Ireland. Maybe you should retract the relevant comments and save some dignity.
It's simply not an acceptable option.
My answer is democracy. There is scant evidence that Muslims vote for radicals. But radicals are dominant in the self-appointed pressure groups who are taken as representative by government and media.
It would be like taking the SWP as the legitimate voice of working people.
There should be far more scrutiny of the self-appointed grievance mongers. To a large extent they are the problem.
I think that last comment by you is one (if not THE) most sensible posts I've read in a long time.
Paul Weston,
Would the solution for "our sub-species" not be to reproduce more and faster ? Keep the combat-age ratio in our favour !
Perhaps these "teenage whores (cfr. McCann's description of single teenage mothers)" aren't such a bad thing after all ??? (as long as they're white of course).
Frankly, it's a waste of time trying to refute a 1.000 word essay containing such crap as "sub-species", "combat-age ratio", etc etc.
Any sane person would view your "predictions" with as much realism as the cranks who predicted that a meteorite would destroy the Earth in Y2K.
Laughable if it wasn't so hate-filled.