ISLAM TO SAVE OR DESTROY THE NHS?

I know I've posted recently on the many troubles that afflict the National Health Service but who would have thought that ISLAM might appear to save the NHS?

Comes the news today that a Muslim doctors’ leader is urging British Muslims not to vaccinate their children against diseases such as measles, mumps and rubella because it is “un-Islamic”.

Dr Abdul Majid Katme, head of the Islamic Medical Association, is telling Muslims that almost all vaccines contain products derived from animal and human tissue, which make them “haram”, or unlawful for Muslims to take. The good doctor carefully explains that..

You see, God created us perfect and with a very strong defence system. If you breast-feed your child for two years — as the Koran says — and you eat Koranic food like olives and black seed, and you do ablution each time you pray, then you will have a strong defence system. Many vaccines, especially those given to children, are full of haram substances — human parts, gelatine from pork, alcohol, animal/monkey parts, all coming from the West who do not have knowledge of halal or haram. It is forbidden in Islam to have any of these unlawful substances in our bodies.”

Fair play to him, I say. It seems that Britain's devout Islamists are being invited to go without these not inexpensive vaccination programmes, which may in turn help the financially strapped Health Service - as one assumes that Dr Katme knows what he is talking about and there will be no consequences in terms of distressed and infected Islamists turning up at their local GP's. Otherwise, if these diseases rocket in Muslim areas across Britain the likes of Katme will ensure that Islamists consume even more health resources.

Comments

[Jeremy Jacobs]

You don't have to be Muslim to be against these vaccinations. I'm no lover of NHS medicine and the need to pump children full of vaccines, elderly people with Wolferine and the rest of us with Statins.

[David Vance]

Jeremy,

True enough. My point is that the idea being proposed that ANY form of vaccination is "unislamic" has consequences.

No one HAS to take any medication of course, it is a matter of free will - until an epidemic hits and then perhaps it may need reviewed!

My onw view is the LESS medication I take the better -but I still ensured my kids got vaccinations against measles and the rest. Never hurt me, hasn't hurt them.

[Ross]

An islamic group in northern Nigeria banned vaccinations a couple of years ago and the inevitable result was that Polio which had been on the verge of eradication made a comeback leaving god only knows how many children disabled for the rest of their lives.

Of course given the Lancet's scaremongering about MMR a few years ago I don't suppose this sort of hysteria is unique to muslims.

[Henry94]

"as one assumes that Dr Katme knows what he is talking about '

LOL!. I'm sure only a racist would suggest otherwise.

[Peter]

For measles to disappear completely relies on (I think) 95% immunisation. Children will die if this scurrilous superstion-based advice is heeded, though no doubt the Daily Mail will approve, since it has run a hysterical campaign against the triple injection for mumps measles and rubella.

[Dawkins]

'Many vaccines, especially those given to children, are full of haram substances — human parts, gelatine from pork, alcohol, animal/monkey parts... It is forbidden in Islam to have any of these unlawful substances in our bodies.”

Human parts? I believe I have several of those in my body. Obviously I can't convert to Islam. :0)

[mahons]

A scary prospect considering the wonders that vaccines brought in the 20th Century. Hopefully this suggestion is unheeded (are children even allowed to attend school without such vaccines?) and the more sensible members of the profession and religion take him to task.

[DSD]

You just could not, as they say, make it up if you tried. As an aside, two of my relatives have caught MRSA recently after attending a Huddersfield hospital - being one of those many establishments, I would assume where the local Muslims have been refusing to wash their hands in the haram alcohol-based gel provided to aid hygiene.

There are so many haram things in the UK it seems - soap, vaccinations, cartoons, Police Chiefs' hands, Jews...seems a bit of waste them all being here at all really, poor dears. Maybe we ought to offer them some help to get out of this awful country of ours where there are SO many forbidden things that make their lives SO very difficult.

Anyone got about half a million moving vans?

[Monica-Philadelphia]

There is a sizable movement here that rejects immunizations. I totally disagree but I have had people attempt to pressure me into not immunizing my children. Here - instead of mohammedans - it's the granola crunchies who have decided that immunizations are a terrible thing.

There was an outbreak of mumps in the middle of the country recently. Most of the people who came down with it were not immunized.

People who refuse to immunize their children not only put them at risk but they also put the rest of us at risk.

[Mr Smith]

The phrase 'Darwin Awards' springs suddenly to mind...

[DSD]

Monica - a lot of the nonsense here about MMR sprang from a 'study' conducted by a doctor who made the TV news, frontpages etc with his apocalyptic nonsense about links to autism. Funny thing though, those of us who always like to follow the money then asked questions about who funded the study...turned out to be a pharmaceutical company who - wow, offer single immunisations at huge expense! Imagine that, what a funny coincidence! My we all laughed, specially when all those measles outbreaks started...

Always follow the money.

[Aaron McDaid]

David Vance said: [this might mean] "Islamists consume even more health resources."

Why the repeated suggestion that Muslim=Islamist and vice versa? Again you are treating the various religions in inconsistent (hypocritical?) ways.

Or put another way, aren't you now supporting the right for gay IRA people to adopt from Catholic adoption agencies? Does Catholic=IRA and and Protestant=UDA/UVF/LVF in your mind?

[Dawkins]

A fair point, Aaron.

[David Vance]

Well, it would be a fair point if it were right. I was however careful to make it clear that it is those who would take Dr Katme's advice I was referring to. I call them extreme Islamists and I differentiate them from more sensible Muslims. Allahu Akhbar!

[Aaron McDaid]

David,
So now you are saying that devout Muslims, who carefully follow hallal for example, is automatically Islamist? I'm guessing you would describe yourself as a fairly devout Protestant, so are you a fully paid up supporter of militant Loyalism?

Faith and devotion does not imply any support for violence, or even any particular interest in political or constitutional matters.

The only fair way to argue about this is on theological and/or health grounds.

[Aaron McDaid]

A correction:

I screwed up a bit when I say this: "gay IRA people to adopt from Catholic adoption agencies"

I meant to say that it sounds like David should be defending "IRA adoption agencies"

[Dawkins]

David, David, David, you referred three times to Islamists, not Muslims. How many Islamists are there in Britain? Enough to impact on the NHS should they refuse vaccinations? You may think so but most of us don't.

Just admit you added the -ists from force of habit and move on.

[Monica-Philadelphia]

Very interesting DSD - thanks.

Aaron and Dawkins - I am very sorry to inform you that a mohammedan who strictly keeps sharia law equals: good indicator that that person is a radical mohammedan wishing to extract the jizya from you in as humiliating a way as possible. It is also painful for me to advise you that mohammedans who follow sharia law in a strict fashion have a worldwide caliphate as the ultimate goal.

You are buying into that 'religion of peace' crap. Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a death cult.

[David Vance]

Exactly Monica - but dhimmis don't get that.