JIHAD AT FORT HOOD?
Thursday, November 5, 2009 at 08:42PM 
I am picking up on the BREAKING news that there have been several murders of US military at the Fort Hood location in Texas. It seems that up to three "shooters" have been mowing down soldiers at this location. More to follow....it would seem odd that this is a "rogue" soldier event which means that something much worse has happened here. My initial thoughts are with the families of the seven murdered US military people and all those who have been injured. This is a horrendous event and we await more news.
David Vance
FBI now ruling out terrorist nexus.
More to come.
David Vance
Sadly, the number of those people killed has risen from 7 to 9 with 27 injured.
David Vance
12 dead and 31 injured.
One shooter shot dead and then two others arrested. The shooters were US soldiers.
Hand guns were used to cause all these murders.
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>>My initial thoughts are with the families of the seven murdered US militar<<
Although your thoughts of Jihad are not far behind.
I wonder why British soldiers seem better able to handle battle stress than Americans.
The news is too sketchy at the moment to know if this is a terrorist attack.
Noel, what does that observation about supposed handling of battle stress have to do with this situation ?
Too early to know what is happening. There have been shootings in the last year or so by US servicemen of fellow servicemen at the base so perhaps that is Noel's reference.
I could be wrong, but aren't deployments in the British Army six months? At one point in Iraq US troops were doing 15-18 month deployments.
FBI seem to have ruled out terrorism, so still breaking,,,,
Here's what I just heard on the radio: there are multiple shooters, and too early to considr whether or not it's terrorism or a conspiracy of some sort. Also, President Obama is going to address the nation about this (?)
Colm, I was thinking of the deaths Mahons referred to, also to the reports that there is currently a very high suicide rate among US Army personnel in or back from the wars; this base is also the centre of the Army's programme for helping returned soldiers deal with battle stress, apparently.
I just havent heard the same kind of things about the British Army. Radovan's comment, if true, explains a lot, however.
Radovan -
Six months is the usual for the British Army, but I hear it's at breaking point with downtime severely depleted.
They have two soldiers in custody.
Obama is speaking now
http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1
shocking title of a thread:
gotta blame everything on muslims eh!
The primary shooter is among the dead.
Obamas' speech was very poor.
G
Wasn't it just? Not a campaign issue, you see.
Per Drudge: one of the shooters (the one that died) is named: Major Malik Nadal Hasan
As American as mom's apple pie.
Percy
I refer you to Patty's comment.
Firstly, another tragedy. But also there is a link between this shooting and the murder of our own British soldiers yesterday. No doubt in my mind. As for Obama's speech, well it was a pathetic mumbling. Didn't have his speechwriters at hand by the sound of it.
Now that we have the 'shooter's' name doesn't that tell its own story. The enemy is in our midst. No need to be in Afghanistan. Again, again and again. Bring the soldiers home. We need protection here and in the US. All these killings have a common denominator - Muslim!
Support for the war has gone. Gordon Brown is to make a 'defiant speech' tomorrow. He can say nothing to convince the majority of us. More deaths, more boys coming home in coffins and yet more suffering terrible wounds. Gordon, for God's sake Go!
'Jihadwatch' top report:-
"Jihad at Fort Hood? Shooter: Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan
"Evidently a convert to Islam, and an apparent jihad attack has taken place at Ft. Hood."
"[Robert here:] Twelve dead, thirty wounded in what was apparently an attack coordinated between two or three gunmen -- belying the post-traumatic stress syndrome spin playing out in the mainstream media.
"If this turns out to be a jihad attack, watch for the President to caution against 'backlash' and 'Islamophobia.'"
There are possible similarities of Islamic jihad infiltrators killing five British troops in Afghanistan earlier this week, and other islamic jihad infiltrators killing at least twelve American troops in Texas today.
George
A Muslim? Surely not.
Percy
Cat got your tongue?
"If this turns out to be a jihad attack, watch for the President to caution against 'backlash' and 'Islamophobia.'"
Just as Bush did after 9/11, because it's the right thing to do. No doubt you and others here would be happy if POTUS called for a pogrom - that would be "real leadership".
>>As for Obama's speech, well it was a pathetic mumbling.<<
I thought he was quite good. In any case, if Bush had made a speech half as good, you'd be moved to the quick.
>>The enemy is in our midst. No need to be in Afghanistan. Again, again and again. Bring the soldiers home. <<
Pathetic. Just imagine the howls if someone like Gordon Brown said anything like that!!
But will the President caution against Islamic jihad?
The facts will be coming out, and perhaps conclusions can be reserved until they do.
Maj. Malik Nadal Hasan.
That's the central fact.
Also, foolish to be unnecessarily blinded by political correctness and not consider the context.
In May 2007, a similar slaughter by 6 Islamists was interrupted and prevented at Fort Dix.
"The six men charged with plotting the slaughter of U.S. soldiers in an armed assault on Fort Dix were held without bail this afternoon during an initial appearance in federal court in Camden.
The men, identified by authorities as homegrown Islamic terrorists inspired by Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda network, each spent about 10 minutes before a judge in U.S. District Court, saying they understood the charges against them."
http://blog.nj.com/ledgerupdates/2007/05/6_arrested_in_plot_to_kill_sol.html
I believe that there was also a planned attack by jihadists on Camp le jeune.
Obviously, our military bases are vulnerable, and obviously they are targeted by jihadists.
We don't have all the facts yet about this case. But, we do have facts about prior attempts.
It was only one shooter, but two other people were taken into custody.
yes i'm corrected, but was anyone really sure when the article was first posted who was behind the attack?
Ft. Hood shooter identified as Malik Nadal Hasan, recent convert to Islam.
Percy
I was. Was I right?
>>Also, foolish to be unnecessarily blinded by political correctness and not consider the context. <<
Patty, the FBI has "ruled out a terrorist nexus", according to David's post.
>>I was. <<
LOL, not according to your comment at 09:36PM , you weren't.
The shooter was also a Professor of Psychiatry, it seems! More or less confirms my opinion of that profession!
... but was anyone really sure when the article was first posted who was behind the attack?
Not sure but quite confident.
David
Well done - you called this one right, and it's very disturbing. No doubt Obama will be blamed for letting it happen "on his watch".
But dare I remind you that you thought the Buncefield oil depot fire in 2005 was also a terrorist attack ;.)
Noel Cunningham -
Patty, the FBI has "ruled out a terrorist nexus", according to David's post.
What the federal government meant is that it wasn't a white patriot. They're the only terrorists recognised by the regime nowadays.
They're the only terrorists recognised by the regime nowadays.
Bullshit.
Percy: US military bases have been targets of Islamist jihadist in the past -- Fort Dix, Camp Le Jeune, to name a couple of recent planned attacks -- it's called a pattern.
Maybe this fits the pattern, maybe it doesn't -- we don't know yet. But willful blindness to a known pattern is unnecessary and doesn't make a person tolerant, just a little foolish.
The dead man and the two arrested men were all US military. The DC sniper also had a US military background. It seems to be a pattern.
>>But willful blindness to a known pattern is unnecessary<<
Patty, but shooting sprees by soldiers is also "a known pattern". Who do you think was wilfully blind to the pattern you mean here? Mahons merely said we should keep an open mind on the matter and he's right.
What do you think of this killer being a psychiatrist BTW ?.....
FO -
There is a pattern there; when the US Army teaches muslims how to shoot, it's likely to go bad.
Noel, the fact that the FBI claims it's not terrorism about 5 minutes after the event makes me think they are defiitely coverig up something.
Although, the fact that the major was a psychiatrist makes me think he was probably just a plain crazy and acting alone - and his Islam is incidental -- that's how highly I hold the psychiatric profession!
We just don't know, do we? Guess we'll just have to wait for the facts.
Noel: Although my initial comment was to Percy, unlike Mahons, I don't think "keeping an open mind" means that I have to keep an empty mind.
Personally, I will say a prayer for those injured and those who died.
And read the facts tomorrow.
I'd say it's very much a Catch22 - a psychiatrist who converts to Islam is obviously insane, but then again his reluctance to be sent off to Iraq - as is now being reported - is a sign of basic sanity.
At any rate, a terrible tragedy for these young guys, getting ready to head off and then killed on home ground by a member of the medical profession.
Reminds you of Glasgow Airport: holiday makers, getting ready to head off and then almost killed on home ground by members of the medical profession shrieking allahu akhbar as they try to blow up the terminal.
Dead mans cousin was just on Fox. Dead man was US born, always Muslim, not a convert, in military since before 9/11
FewsOrange, was he black?
The cousin was on the phone, so can't tell. Cousin was also Hasan so I am guessing it is a family name not a convert name. Cousin did not have any detectable foreign accent. Shooter was in ROTC at Virginia Tech.
He was a US citizen but of Jordanian descent and he is not dead.
Patty - As ATW's emptiest mind . . please.
Looks like a evil dude who happens to be Muslim, like Timmy McVeigh happened not to be Muslim. Two peas in a pod. Quite likely a complete nutcase. But I hope no nuts enough so that he couldn't understand his acts, because he deserves to be executed.
I know when the stories of the victims come in it will feel worse. Tough day.