RACISM CUTS BOTH WAYS?
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 08:03AM What exactly is "racist content"? Who decides and on what criteria?
"Twelve British National Party activists have been arrested in Liverpool on suspicion of handing out racist leaflets claiming that "our people" are experiencing an "epidemic of racist violence, sexual exploitation and murder" by Muslims. The leaflet alleges the "average racist killer" is 40 times more likely to be from an ethnic minority than "a native Brit"; the Muslim community condones paedophilia; and the English are "relentlessly discriminated against by an institutionally hostile ruling class". One passage reads: "Wherever there are large numbers of young Muslim men, groups team up to lure girls – often as young as 12 or 13 – into a nightmare world of sexual abuse, rape, beatings, drug addiction and prostitution." The 12 men, aged from 19 to 70 and from Liverpool, Wirral, Knowsley and St Helens, were arrested in the city centre at 12.50pm on Saturday. The leaflet, "Racism Cuts Both Ways", is also available on the BNP's website. Anti-racism campaigners are preparing to submit a UK-wide complaint to the Metropolitan Police. Assistant Chief Constable Colin Matthews of Merseyside Police said the arrests were made following the "distribution of leaflets ... which officers believe to contain racist content".
I do not think that suppressing such views is healthy and the establishment's hatred of the BNP is both hypocritical and counter-productive. I would like to know if the views put across by the BNP in this leaflet are factually correct? If so, why can they not be pointed out? If they are lies, then all we have is another lying political party and lord knows we already have plenty of them!
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This is the leaflet.
http://bnp.org.uk/racism.pdf
Recently, Channel 4 had to 'pull' a documentary showing exactly the grooming of white girls that the BNP writes of under police 'advice'.
In recent years those that hate the Orange Order have tried to link it with far right groups. Anti loyalists in the media have leapt at the opportunities this presents. Members of the Loyal Orders belong to all political parties, but this does not stop these elements in the Merseyside press. You could take the reporting of the 12th July in Liverpool/Southport for any year since the Trinity Mirror group has controlled all the local papers, eg 1995 scaremongering "eye witness confirmed combat 18 in town" "fly posting campaign by far right groups". Lets discredit the parade , far easier than saying "Thousands turn out to support the parade" An amusing aside while the continued demonisation of the Loyal Orders continues , the Trinity Mirror Liverpool Echo barely goes a week without some article on Ricky Tomlinson, treated like Scouse Royalty, self appointed sage and supporter of every hopeless local and national far left cause. In return for Tomlinsons "pearls of wisdom" no mention is ever made of Tomlinsons youthful dalliance with the far right National Front, he stood as an NF candidate for the citys local council elections in the late 60s. I suppose it is possible to go from far right to far left, but i cant think of anybody else whose done it?
Sorry, but while I broadly agree in principle with SOME of what the BNP says, no way am I ready to put my tick in their box, electorally speaking. I just don't trust them, not on this issue, nor on the other example of "police brutality" which was linked to within the last few days.
I know that the Police are no angels, and that a fair degree of rough-handedness probably goes on behind the scenes sometimes, but I just do not believe that the Police are indiscriminate torturers, as was implied by that story about BNP activists that was linked to recently. There is a whole lot more to that story than what the BNP's "News you can trust" website is publishing.
The BNP is, in my opinion, currently a horrible, nasty party full of thugs, which no true Brit should vote for or align him/herself with, in its current state.
TRUE, mass, uncontrolled immigration is a real problem, and one which needs dealing with. I don't dispute that. But I think that British people can find a reasonable way of dealing with it, without dealing out the violence proposed by the BNP. (Having said that, I am totally opposed to their views being censored or discredited. In a so-called free country, we should all be allowed to say whatever we like).
--But I think that British people can find a reasonable way of dealing with it--
...and therein lies the $64K question Thomas. Barely 30% of the electorate voted for Blair when he came in and NO-ONE voted for the present incumbent, Brown. So where is the democracy for your - "reasonable way"?
For the BNP to complain about racism is nearly as funny as the BNP member who recently claimed to be appalled to be living in a 'fascist state'.
For the BNP to complain about racism is nearly as funny as the BNP member who recently claimed to be appalled to be living in a 'fascist state'.
Yeah i trawled their site after following allans last link a few days ago and noticed similar reference. One guy complained that Britian under Labour was as bad as NAZI Germany. You couldnt make it up.
"Barely 30% of the electorate voted for Blair when he came in and NO-ONE voted for the present incumbent, Brown. So where is the democracy for your - "reasonable way"?"
Firstly, in the British political system you do not vote for a Prime Minister but for a political party or actually for a candidate. How many people voted for Tony Blair in 2005? 24,421 people for that is how many people voted for him in Sedgefield. Gordon Brown, as leader of the largest party in Westminster, has as much right to govern the UK as Tony Blair, John Major, Maggie Thatcher or any other Prime Minister.
Secondly, that is British "democracy" for you. The last time a Government recieved a absolute majority of votes was the National Government in 1935. The only time under universal sufferage that a single political party recieved a absolute majority of votes was the Conservatives in 1931, though ironically their leader, Stanley Baldwin, did not become Prime Minister at the time. In the meantime a Party has actually formed a Government, one majority, one minority, with less votes than their opponent. The Conservatives formed a majority Government in 1951 despite recieving less votes than Labour. The Labour Party formed a minority Government in February 1974 despite recieving less votes than the Tories.
Stick that in your pipe and smoke it Bernard ;)
Much as it would be nice to pretend that the substance of the claims being made in the leaflet are untrue, they basically aren't. The questionable one is of course that made about racially motivated murders, which of course is the problem when the statistics have been so radically manipulated by the government to fit the Stephen Lawrence type meme. Its entirely possible that the BNP has skewed its own figures just as much (if it is possible to do so as much as the Government and its race quangoes have) of course, but the evidence does tend to bear them out if you bother to do the research on the huge number of black/asian on white murders that go unreported outside of local media.
Grooming? Well pretending that this isn't happening, and with the police looking the other way in terror of investigating anyone on the darker side of pale into the bargain, is head-in-the-sand behaviour of the most egregious kind. It is endemic in areas of Yorkshire in particular, and when even Labour MPs are acknowledging the phenomenon then its easy to infer that it is about 100 times as bad as they are grudgingly telling us it is.
As for institutionalised anti-white racism, if you can't see how endemic that is in Britain 2008 then you are either a lunatic or a liar.
But I'll still be voting UKIP, never fear...
You're dancing on the head of a pin, Seamus.
"You're dancing on the head of a pin, Seamus."
I'm not Bernard, just pointing out the facts. Brown does not need a new mandate to lead as he is the head of the Labour Party and the Labour Party was given a mandate in 2005, not Tony Blair individually.
Secondly, I was simply pointing out that if we are talking Democratically, only one Government, the National Government between 1931 and 1945, which was the only period of time where the Government of the UK had the support of the majority of the United Kingdom. Every other British Government had about as much democratic mandate as Robert Mugabe.
DSD,
"Much as it would be nice to pretend that the substance of the claims being made in the leaflet are untrue, they basically aren't."
Many big lies are told using claims that 'basically aren't untrue'.
The overarching theme of the leaflet is to promote the view that one group is attacking another group, from the facts which are that individuals are attacking other individuals - for racist reasons just like the ones the BNP promotes.
FFS, they are trying to claim that one race is inherently more violent and racist than another. They are incapable of approaching ANY issue except through the lens of race.
It is this government and the media that have portrayed white people as being inherently more violent and racist than others and the BNP leaflet serves to counter this. Funny how quick so many people are to call the BNP thugs; imagine using that language to describe members of any non white organisation whose stated aim is to put their group interests first. Didn't a certain Mr Davis MP suggest that the Black police officers association was racist for not allowing white members? Why are they not described as thugs for putting the interests of their membership first, i.e non white (asians can join).
It seems that your own perception is that, yes indeed, one group is inherently more violent and racist than an other.
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Perhaps Tom Tyler can enlighten us all on the "whole lot more to that story..."
I for one am dying to know what happened. Do you have an inside man at the station? Are you one of the men detained? Perhaps you were in Liverpool at the time and saw the arrests and then followed on to the station? Perhaps the Liverpool Police streamed it on the internet as you saw what happened?
At the same time, perhaps you could provide us with the evidence to back up your statement ....
"...without dealing out the violence proposed by the BNP"
Who is proposing violence? Have you informed the police, I know I would if someone was proposing violence, after all, it is a criminal offence, is it not.
"In a so-called free country, we should all be allowed to say whatever we like"
But it isn't a free country, far from it. And even when it was, in the traditional sense, libel laws still applied to unsubstantiated accusations such as yours.
The BNP is quite right to use any and every existing laws to ensure that the rights of the party and its members are protected and I believe you will see this in action in the coming weeks and months.
Frank,
I don't think the BNP's overwhelming stock-in-trade is race. It was under Tyndall and then under Griffin before he removed 95% of the knuckledraggers, but now it's as simple as good old-fashioned Underdog victimhood. The fact that its a majority of the population who have been turned into underdogs by thirty years of relentless racism and state-sponsored tribalism is what makes the fostering of this Underdog mentality so very, very effective. Are people starting to vote in larger and larger numbers for the BNP because we are a racist society? No. Us Brits love an underdog, its in our psychological makeup. We can't resist it. Simple as.
This leaflet fosters this Underdog perception very effectively. Its thrust isnt to foster the belief that non-whites are deliberately targeting whites en masse with violence and 'grooming', it is to foster the belief that the establishment is actively cooperating with these attacks by refusing to properly investigate them, or in the case of the media to report them at all, which latter claim at least is quite frankly indisputable. And therefore there is only one way out of this cycle and to get a bit of that tribal victimhood for yourself if you're a white voter - vote for the Party which will put a plaster on the country and make it all better (pats voters on head).
You have to hand it to Griffin, he's a clever bastard. Still a bastard, but a clever one nonetheless.
Sorry, but while I broadly agree in principle with SOME of what the BNP says, no way am I ready to put my tick in their box, electorally speaking. I just don't trust them, .......
Tuesday, November 25, 2008 at 09:31PM | Tom Tyler
Well, Tom, here are the mainstream parties: people you can trust.
http://liarsbuggersandthieves.blogspot.com/
DSD is correct to point out that race is not the reason behind the BNP's increasing support, whilst UKIP is seen now as not being a serious party but more of an establishment-approved vent. Let's look at some political facts.
EU: many people want out, probably a majority. Yet the LibLabCon all want to stay in. How to vote?
Immigration: very large majority against the open-door policy yet the LibLabCon knows it can't take real action because of the above point. How to vote?
Political Correctness: this post-Marxist doctrine now has its adherents in every single institution and they pursue policies which marginalise the indigenous of this country.
Economy: we are now on the brink of ruin yet all thre'mainstream' parties would pursue the same free-trade policy which has left the country with a huge external debt. The PM is the zealot who wrecked the finances and the Chancellor is a town solicitor. The Leader of the Opposition has never held a real job and his Chancellor is George Osborne.
The political class has betrayed the British people and there is no alternative but the BNP. I note that nobody has actually discussed the veracity or otherwise of the BNP's leaflet.
'Wherever there are large numbers of young Muslim men, groups team up to lure girls – often as young as 12 or 13 – into a nightmare world of sexual abuse, rape, beatings, drug addiction and prostitution.'
Like many others here, I usually howl with disapproval at parents of 12 and 13 year old children who are not controlled by their parents. Here, I howl with disapproval again- why are 12 or 13 year olds being allowed to roam the streets- where the hell are theses parents? Their sainted 12 and 13 year olds were pure children walking the streets, and were corrupted by Muslims?
What a heap of nonsense.
Pinky,
Are there any depths you won't sink to to blame everyone but Muslims for the things Muslims do? So now 12 and 13 year old victims of paedophilia aren't 'pure' enough for you and therefore they are culpable in their own rape because they weren't innocent enough or their parents didn't control them properly?
I've seen people say Jews are genocidal on this site. I've seen people call our brave soldiers the same. I've read barking mad Truther conspiracies and been compared to an Islamic Fundamentalist because I happen to agree with the mad mullahs on the odd issue. But I think the above is possibly the most offensive thing I've ever seen.
Shame on you.
When I was 12-13, I was allowed out 'to roam the streets'. Actually, I was just out playing, because it was safe to do so. Now, and especially for white girls in 'enriched' areas, it is very dangerous. The police have acknowledged this but won't act because of 'racism', but Channel 4 prepared a documentary on the behaviour of muslim gangs. The documentary was pulled - too much unpalatable truth.
Pinky is wrong and he is part of the problem.
Are there any depths you won't sink to to blame everyone but Muslims for the things Muslims do? So now 12 and 13 year old victims of paedophilia aren't 'pure' enough for you and therefore they are culpable in their own rape because they weren't innocent enough or their parents didn't control them properly?
Well, first there is NO evidence of anything the BNP put on their 'website'
I think you are just being a big hypocrite DSD- you would be one of the first out of the gate screaming about irresponsible parents-like many of this site.
But any rubbish to slam a Muslim, is ok in your book
Pinky is wrong and he is part of the problem.
You would be next out the gate with your howls about irresponsible parents.
Give it a rest.
These pure as driven snow parents werw watching their oure as he driven snow children play hop-scoth out the front, and along came big bad Muslims in cars and injected their children with heroin, plied them with alcohol and raped them. The BNP version of life.
If it wasn't so tragic- it would be a comedy.
Badly timed Pinky, defending islam, that is.