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Saturday, July 5, 2008 at 11:39AM "A leading lawyer yesterday called for sharia rules to be written into English law. Stephen Hockman QC said legal reforms to incorporate Islamic principles are inevitable. He warned that 'otherwise we will find there is a very significant section of our society which is increasingly alienated, with very dangerous results. "
Note the use of the term "inevitable." The Archdhimmi of Canterbury also used that expression recently as he too contemplated the embrace of Sharia. There is a significant section of the political and legal establishment in this country which is actively pleading for Sharia. There have already mentally submitted to Islam and want our legal framework to follow. Here's the deal;if Muslims are uncomfortable with our British laws - they should go somewhere that is Sharia tolerant - I hear Canada might make an ideal location.
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Wow, you really hate Islam.
RS,
You should try living under Sharia for a while and then get back to me.
This is about small contractual stuff for muslims and already exists for Jews. Therein lies the issue. It already exists in all western countries but does not trump common law David. Frankly i couldn't give a crap how muslims want to settle their disputes amongst one another. Same for Jews.
Saying that I sure wish these idiot holier than thou lawmen would shut up waffling on about nothing and focus on what matters. Like the total despondency in the criminal justice system.
Priorities.
I take it by your suggestion you have lived under Shari'a Law David. If so i would love hear about it?
BTW on a side note, thanks for opening up your threads to comments.
What a picture! Thank God we don't have the wigs over here, I look foolish enough as it is.
Sadly we don't have them anymore. New attire for the whole lot. Personally i thought it suited them. Perfectly!
Sharia isn't supposed to trump civil law. It almost looks good on paper, until you realize that much of sharia does violate the law of the land.
Good post David. This would be the thin end of the wedge for the legal system.
But we already have "sharia-compliant" mortgages, so it's obvious which way the wind is blowing.
RS,
I think the site needs dissent and hence the opening up of the threads. I don't want peace and harmony, I want civil debate!
"But we already have "sharia-compliant" mortgages, so it's obvious which way the wind is blowing."
Sounds sooooooo benign Peter.
But, where do you draw the line? And will that "line" be respected by the Islamic crowd?
I doubt it. We already see plenty of honour killings in the UK under the guise that it's OK because the Koran says so.
We also see, and the legal system seems to ignore, numerous polygamous relationships in the UK because the Koran says a Muslim man can have 4-wives.
We see women debased and abused (seemingly with their whole-hearted consent) because the insecure Muslim males can't deal with a woman's sexuality. Burqa, niqab are wonderful examples of psychological bondage.
Why not go for a complete prohibition of alcohol and kill all canines while were in the appeasement mode. That's what the Koran and Sharia law would love to see in the UK.
Sorry Peter. Once the "rising damp" of a demented religion sets in it's game over for human rights.
So now is the time Western cultures stand fast and say loud and clear: You want to live a medieval lifestyle? Then go back to a Medieval country!
Eddie can you give me a link to the passage of the koran where it advocates honour killings?
If I can answer for Eddie - I refer you to this from the excellent Gates of Vienna...
"I think it’s important to recognize that honor killing is not specifically a Muslim phenomenon. It is widespread in other tribal cultures as well.Other barbaric customs that are practiced by Muslims are not specifically Islamic. Female genital mutilation, for example, is an African tribal practice which has gained Islamic sanction over the centuries. But it’s not universal in Muslim countries, nor does it find its origins in the Koran.
Islam’s role in these barbaric atavisms is to fix them in place for all time. When any given culture is taken over by Islam, its prevalent customs — provided they do not directly contradict the basic tenets of Islam — are absorbed into sharia and given Koranic sanction.
Once that happens, they cannot be changed. The legitimacy of the Prophet’s words is laid upon them, and restricting them becomes a crime against Islam."
Eddie's punch-line is one I agree with.
KOran doesnt say that. Backward mysoginist dummy societies in some parts of the world do, they may dress it up as religious but it isnt in the Koran. That they transport that crap here and we turn a blind eye (because we're scared to be racist) is more worrying than any sharia mortgage and contractual nonsense. I want that crap out of this country. If they want to go off and wallow in it in the Middle East or Africa then by all means sod off and pick any of the slew of countries that support it.
David if its not stipulated in the Koran, it cannot be given koranic sanction.
RS,
The issue for me is not just the Koran, it is Islam.
the whole point of immigration is to move to somewhere that you can better your situation.
Movement of people with the intention of implanting the culture of where your moving from into where you haved moved to is called invasion.
To voluntarily change your laws to accomadate this movement of people is called surrender
Eddie
It seems that you found my comment at 1.50 pm in some way ambiguous and even supportive of creeping sharia in the UK.
I can only assume you're a newcomer to ATW. Regulars here will be aware of my contempt for the medieval organised superstition known as islam and all its works. Which is the point I was trying to make.
Clear now, I hope?
Islamic jurisprudence (sharia)states that those who convert away from Islam should be serverely punished or killed. Nothing wrong with accommodating that bit of local custom, right?
David, again I say, if it is not stipulated in the book how can it have sanction from the book? You seem to be tarring the whole concept of islam with the actions of a minority. Therefore you must think its ok for all of christianity to be labeled as bigots because of the beliefs of a minority.
I wish people would take the time to learn more about islam, as there is alot which would surprise you. One bugbear the west seems to have is the segregation and veling of women, yet the same people who condemn this are blissfully ignorant of the fact that it was adopted from western greek Byzantine christians who had long practiced this custom before certain branches of Islam adopted it.
Please accept my apology Peter. I really didn't mean to imply that you were making excuses for the incroachment of Islam into the Western societies. I figured it was said to make a specific point. However, my sarcatsic dark-side sometimes over-rules my common sense persona.
Yea, maybe you can't find a specific passage in the Koran to substantiate my anti-Islam rant. But that book represents a backward culture, which I loath.
Actually, I have to admit I'm sort of a Bertrand Russell fan. All religions have a strand of "control the masses". However, I feel Islam goes a bit far with it's "control methods".
I think Bumeneare is talking a lot of sense
Colm, I thought so at first but his latest posts have really gone downhill.
I second that Colm, he makes shrewd sense! But I think he may be about to leave us..
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I think that that could been deemed going off topic
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Not really, Aileen.
There was that "embrace of Sharia" by the Archbishop of Canterbury, and then one thing led to another, I suppose.