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Friday
06Nov2009

THAT LEPRECHAUN LANGUAGE

I see that the Traditional Unionist Voice has apologised for its "childishness" after issuing a statement describing Irish as a "leprechaun language".

The statement was issued under the name of TUV vice-chairman Keith Harbinson and condemned the Department of Education for "wasting" money on Irish. However after being distributed to the media, the press release on the party's website was changed to remove the term.

Good call by Jim Alister and Keith to alter this. There is no need to call the Irish language a "Leprechaun" language and this was a silly error. However there are worse things one could do - such as share power with terrorists. A young party like the TUV need to realise that press releases are a two edged sword and ensure that all such releases are authorised by someone with an eye for such obvious howlers.

I plan to be at the TUV annual conference tomorrow and will report back. My old pal Bob McCartney is a speaker and it will be nice to hear him after all these years.

I saw Jim Allister being interviewed on H&M last night and thought he did well in what was a tough interview by Noel Thompson.

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A young party like the TUV need to realise that press releases are a two edged sword and ensure that all such releases are authorised by someone with an eye for such obvious howlers

ummm hmmmm I wonder where we could find such a person.....

I plan to be at the TUV annual conference tomorrow and will report back.

Ah....lol

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 01:18PM | Registered CommenterG

G,

NOT me! LOL.

I have been invited and being a polite person accept such invites ;-)

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 01:25PM | Registered CommenterDavid Vance

So no chance of you re-entering the political arena as a prospective MP?

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 01:47PM | Registered CommenterDaithiO

The biggest diss by far of the Irish language is done by the many " nationalists " who bullshit about it a great deal but who have not bothered to learn it and who do not use the ten words that they do know.

Pog ma thon to all who fit in that category!

Compared to them, Mr. Harbinson is a ferocious champion of Irish and all the other on the ropes languages on this earth.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 01:52PM | Registered CommenterThe Phantom

Phantom, you can support a language without actually speaking it. Nelson McCausland is a 'champion' of the Ulster-Scots language, yet professes to speak not a word of it. Whether you speak no words, or ten, or are fluent, you can still support the development of Irish.

Also, it is not only 'nationalists' who support the Irish language.

The people who do the language the most damage are those who politicise it - ie. Politicians, and political commentators. And in that respect, SF are as bad as the TUV, DUP and so on. A language is a language, not a football, to be kicked around by political sides just to score petty points.

By the way, when you talk about 'on the ropes' languages, do these include languages which are growing and developing all the time? If not, I don't think you should include Irish in that category...

By the way, David, I thought I was cleared to post instantly ages ago. Apparently I am not?

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 02:28PM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

The ability to issue a genuine apology for a mistake is a good sign of any person or organisation. Case closed.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 02:32PM | Registered CommenterHenry94

The ability to spot a stupid and childish title on a press release which will be posted on your party's website BEFORE it is posted is surely a better sign of a person and/or organisation, no?

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 03:31PM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

Seimi

Not necessarily. Durting my years doing zillions of Press Releases for the UKUP, things happened very fast and mistakes did happen!!!!

PS - got your message re commenting, will fix that for you.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 03:44PM | Registered CommenterDavid Vance

Seimi

Not making mistakes is, of course, better than making them but character is revealed in how we react when we do.

As the old saying goes, the man who never made a mistake never made anything.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 03:55PM | Registered CommenterHenry94

David, I understand that mistakes DO get made. However, this wasn't just a typo. If it wasn't Keith Harbinson who okayed the title, and if it wasn't the title he put on the press release, then who did it? Will they be reprimanded in any way for making him, and ultimately the TUV, look very foolish here?

Henry94 - Ok, the TUV did apologise for the title, but they still haven't retracted the 'dead language' part, nor the part where they appear to ignore the needs of 4000+ students in irish medium education. Maybe you are right - maybe their, or his, character IS revealed in this...

David, thanks for fixing commenting.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 04:18PM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

Heard Keith Harbinson on the radio this morning and he explained that the press release was worded that way for internal consumption and was put out before being ammended.

I'd say that if this is how the language is sneeringly derided in private and they have'nt got the spools to say what they really think in public then that's more indicitive of character revelation than anything else Henry.

fáilte romhat ar ais a Sheimi - Welcome back Seimi

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 04:30PM | Registered CommenterPaul Mc Mahon

Thanks Paul - good to 'see' you :)

Have to agree with you re Keith Harbinson.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 04:39PM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

Seimi

I hope that you're right. But man oh man - it is not that hard to learn something of a language, esp in these days of Rosetta Stone and other great software. I would think that those who claim to be advocates of the language would make some kind of effort of some kind to learn the tiniest bit of the language.

I've been to Ireland lots of times, and only once have I heard it in a normal conversation. I know that there are genuine speakers in the West, but I see them as a small and dedicated island in a vast English speaking sea.

Those who politicize I agree are ridiculous. They tend to make their protest in English, and to spend far more of their time studying Manchester United's latest soccer match than they ever do the future tense of verbs in Irish.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 05:29PM | Registered CommenterThe Phantom

Troll / Monica

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Just tryin' to help

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 05:35PM | Registered CommenterThe Phantom

"There is no need to call the Irish language a "Leprechaun" language and this was a silly error."

Agreed. It is also inaccurate as leprechauns (before the English hunted them to extinction) spoke a primitive form of Ulster Scots.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 06:13PM | Unregistered CommenterReg

So what language do leprachauns speak?

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 07:07PM | Registered CommenterRoss

it's difficult to tell Ross because they speak very little ;)

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 07:09PM | Registered CommenterColm

Phantom, I know many people who don't speak a word of Irish, but fully support its growth and development.
Where in Ireland were you when you heard Irish being spoken? North or South? You should come to Belfast. I could bring you to many places here where you would hear Irish being spoken as an everyday language.

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 07:24PM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

I have just watched Jim Alister on last night's Hearts and Minds, thanks to the brilliant BBC Iplayer.

Jim did very well (in a fair interview), but he needs support to make his party fly. Maybe David Vance and Jim Alister will discuss this at the TUV conference tomorrow?

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 11:50PM | Registered CommenterPeter

Thanks for sortin' that David. What was on at Stormont?

Friday, November 6, 2009 at 11:59PM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

Just a private function - no politics! (Well, sort of)

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 12:01AM | Registered CommenterDavid Vance

Preparation for tomorrow's conference? :-) Make sure to tell JA not to mention Leprechaun's!

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 12:04AM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

'...as leprechauns (before the English hunted them to extinction) spoke a primitive form of Ulster Scots.'

Now now, don't call Ulster-Scots primitive....

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 12:08AM | Unregistered CommenterSeimi

More like the leper language.

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 06:17AM | Unregistered CommenterJames H

The TUV manage to say sorry for the use of a relatively innocuous description of the Irish language, yet Sinn Fein have never apologised for their armed wing killing almost 2,000 people.

I think that puts the entire matter into perspective.

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 06:37AM | Unregistered CommenterAndrew McCann

Seimi

Believe it or not it was in Dublin, in a small hotel. My cronies and I had brought back some deliciously pungent fish and chips from Leo Burdocks to munch on in a common space, and two middle aged women were enviously commenting on them in Irish. The only English word I heard 'em say was " chips "!

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 02:54PM | Registered CommenterThe Phantom

Likewise with Seimi Phantom.
Come to Belfast and I'll show you many places where Irish is spoken as an everyday language.

Saturday, November 7, 2009 at 05:01PM | Registered CommenterPaul Mc Mahon

There ye go Phantom - 2 invites to come to Belfast to hear the Irish language being spoken. Though I have to warn you, Paul might be a bit out of practice regarding Guinness, and was a bit of a lightweight to start with, so it may end up with the two of us carrying him. But don't worry, he isn't a big fella :-)

Tuesday, November 10, 2009 at 10:22AM | Registered CommenterSéimí

David, surely your not implying that Sammy Morrison is not capable of being the party's press officer? :)

Sunday, November 29, 2009 at 05:29AM | Unregistered Commentersammygotitwrongagain

Paul, have you ever heard any political party speak their mind?? Do you think Martin and Peter publicly tell it as it is over P+J?? An internal reference between two individuals, which I hasten to add was reportedly not approved, goes to prove little of the character of the person who supposedly didnt say it, or their party. I heard an interview too, where Keith Harbinson explained that it was one of a number of titles put forward, but not the one approved....for obvious reasons. As Henry said, mistakes happen, its how we react to them that reveals most about an individual.

Friday, December 18, 2009 at 09:46AM | Unregistered CommenterMissing the point

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