THE BOMBAY MASSACRE...
Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 07:54AM 
Having murdered more than 100 people, I see that the Islamic terrorists holed up in two of Bombay's major hotels are now demanding the release of imprisoned associates.
Speaking from inside the Oberoi hotel where at least half a dozen foreigners are being held hostage the man, identifed as Sahadullah, told India TV he belonged to an Indian Islamist group seeking an end to the persecution of Indian Muslims and added: "We want all Mujahideens held in India released and only after that we will release the people." He said: "There are seven of us inside hotel Oberoi."
A few points here to consider.
1. Once again, those professing adherence to the Religion of Peace engage in grotesque butchery.
2. Once again, the practise of mass slaughter is a preferred tactic.
3. Once again, the world has a chance to respond to this Islamic threat. Will we hear from "moderate" Muslim leaders speaking out and castigating those who carried out this massacre of the innocents?
Why is it that Islam, uniquely, seems inextricably linked with such savagery? Why is it that the West seems unable, or unwilling, to face into the precise nature of this problem? It's nonsense to try and explain all these globalised attacks as the actions of a few fanatics. Would that it were so but it is much more than that - it is a sustained assault on civilisation by Islamic barbarians who seek to impose their dark ages mentality on this rest of us. We resist or we submit.
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Stop the ACLU has a lot of good news roundup on this.
http://www.stoptheaclu.com/archives/2008/11/26/major-terror-attacks-in-india/
Points being made are that this kind of spectacular, coordinated set of attacks was only possible in a soft security target like India. It is becoming a major battleground now as Hindu fundies (a phenomenon that seems to be unique to India itself) have been targeting Muslims and Christians of late and for once the Muslims have been on the back foot due to sheer numbers. This seems to be proof positive that they don't, as the saying has it, like it up 'em.
As DV says, where is the worldwide condemnation from Islamic leaders? These attacks have systematically and deliberately targeted westerners (particularly British and Americans) for execution and hostage-taking, therefore pretending that the violently anti-american and anti-british rhetoric of the leaders of multiple Islamic countries is unrelated is ridiculous.
The eldest went to a mosque as part of a whistle-stop tour of local religious venues yesterday. I wonder what would have happened if she'd brought these events up at the Q&A? She said the students were far more interested in asking questions and discussing religious tenets with the mosque representative than they were when in either the Church, the Hindu Temple or the Sikh Gurdwara, which seems to suggest that they at least are not burrowing their heads into the sand and trying to pretend that Islam as a religion doesn't have 'issues'. A pity that so many of their adult contemparies are so very determined to do so in their stead.
I just got back home last night, switched on the TV and the attacks were being reported on CNN. Feed text was saying that nobody has yet claimed responsibility and so I wondered to myself: who could possibly have perpetrated such an act of massacre and destruction? My first thought was some right-wing American university fraternity stunt gone wrong, then it might have been some bunch of Christians because, as we all know, "Christianity has plenty of blood on its hand". (Monday, November 24, 2008 at 10:39AM | Drunken Cyclist)
Why don't the lefties and apologists for islam just admit it: each of you KNEW exactly which doctrine the murderous filth who did this adhere to - didn't you? I certainly guessed straight away, and it wasn't my "BNP racism" which aligned my thoughts. In today's world, muslims are responsible for almost all acts of murderous terrorism.
Ain't that all the truth A&A. Butchery & blowing people up it's our little ROP friends behind it.
So, these tossers are seeking an end to the persecution of Muslims in India, why then an attack on British and Americans, it isn't them persecuting them in India.
The only good ROP follower is a dead ROP follower....
"Christianity has plenty of blood on its hand"
Read about the Holocaust, Allan.
It was every bit a Christian act as these acts are Muslim acts, in that it wasn't at all!
How old are you DC ?
Speaking of a war on terrorism and the cultural values held by some cultures, it would be great if ATW covered the reign of terror over two girls by their own father who repeatedly raped them and fathered 19 children by them. It is the story of the moment.
DC, you are a stupid (steady on old son - PM)
The Holocaust was perpetrated by nazis and nazism is evil. This massacre is perpetrated by evil people who find sufficient evil in their ideology to justify the massacre which they have just perpetrated. It is nothing short of barbarism, and it happened today, now, live, in real-time, and it could have happened anywhere that such evil people with their evil ideology are to be found.
Allan,
Calm down chum.
Cheers for that Pete.
Drunken, while I do believe that certain, shall we call them, oppurtinistic posters here relish when militant Islam carries out attacks like this, just so they can go, "Oh, look at those Muslims", or other things of that nature, I have to disagree with you when saying that the Holocaust was a Christian Act. This group, the Deccan Mujahideen, follow a twisted view of Islam. The Nazis did not follow a twisted view of Christianity. Hitler once said that Jesus was "the illegitimate son of a jewish whore". Not the words a Christian normally applies to Christ. The majority of the Nazis who planned and carried out the Final Solution, people like Adolf Eichmann, Heinrich Himmler and Reinhard Heydrich were all followers of a Norse Pagan cult, not Christians.
oppurtinistic posters here relish when militant Islam carries out attacks like this, just so they can go, "Oh, look at those Muslims"
Yes. I actually think attacks like this make some of these people happy. Sad and sick.
I have to disagree with you when saying that the Holocaust was a Christian Act.
Well, considering you're a Catholic nationalist, I thought you would! But take a look at what I actually wrote:
"It [the Holocaust] was every bit a Christian act as these acts are Muslim acts, in that it wasn't at all"
I stand by that. These acts in India are politically (not religiously) motivated. Those pulling the strings need a mythology to rally the troops. In Ireland the "Irish nation" was envoked, for these people it's Islamic mythology. Both are spurious of course, synically used by people to control others.
So, I don't think the Holocaust was a Christian act, but neither do I think these are Islamic acts.
.. neither do I think these are Islamic acts
You affect to be so pig ignorant that you confuse Christianity with a murderous pagan cult.
But you are on the other hand so full of learning and subtlety that you can detect when muslims acting in the name of their religion are not being Islamic.
Three cheers for you.
"So, I don't think the Holocaust was a Christian act, but neither do I think these are Islamic acts."
I disagree. I feel many people here want to blame all of Islam for this or believe that it is representive of Islam but that does not mean that these people were not acting in what they view are the interests of Islam. I compare this to the Crusades. The Crusades did have an element of Politics in it, but was also very much so a Christian act. But also, in the same way that I wouldn't blame the Christian faith for the evil committed in the Crusades, I will not blame Islam for the evil committed by those with a perverted view of Islam.
That's reasonable view, Seamus. I disagree but what you say is intellectually defensible.
You affect to be so pig ignorant that you confuse Christianity with a murderous pagan cult
No, I didn't. Read what was written.
I did read it.
What pagan cult do these Bombay terrorists belong to ? (Following your analogy)
ATW is plagued by absolute stuck up blind pricks these days.
You can blame the bloody Inquisition FULLY on catholicism
You can blame christianity for the crusades
and you can blame Islam for what's occuring now
You can even blame the Jews for bringing about the murder of Christ
Get over your stupid selves for ONCE.
All these people die HERE AND NOW and you are busy pontificating over it like a load of stuck up pseudo intellectuals weakly trying to defend the indefensible.
It may not be what Islam was supposed to be but it sure as shit is what it currently is - just as the Inquisition and Crusades were in their moments in history.
Has it ever occured to you that christianity and catholicism were once political just as Islam is now? And it was as such that they committed atrocities in their name for political gain? A great many christians continued to live regular lives while others with greater power committed murder, torture and execuition in the name of said religions. It doesn't change the facts.
If you continue to excuse it they will never move beyond politicising their religion for the power of the minority at the expense of the rest.
Pat yourselves on the back for your appauling blind ignorance and nods to the past and the Jews. Yes yes well done. Meanwhile people die bloodily in the here and now and you pontificate over meaningless concerns for a future that will never happen.
The only people advocating any holocausts and with the power to do so are busy sitting in the centre of a political religion you continually and politically-correctly excuse.
Here we see an examåle of how somebody arguing from the left puts himself beyond reasonable argument. First of all, a question which I put was ignored:
"Why don't the lefties and apologists for islam just admit it: each of you KNEW exactly which doctrine the murderous filth who did this adhere to - didn't you?"
But it was unanswerable because their case would have been ruined by an honest reply.
They then argue that - "it isn't Islam's fault. It is 100% the fault of terrorists choosing to carry out mass murder and using their religion and/or other ideology as an excuse." (Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 07:04AM | Colm)
Hmmm...if that isn't apologism for a murderous doctrine, then what is?
It's like arguing: I hate Israel but I like Jews; some of my best friends are Jews so I'm not anti-jewish but I really don't see why a country whose leadership and ideology demand the extermination of Jews shouldn't have nuclear weapons.
On one point, DC might inadvertently be right: islam is political and not just religious, but to a muslim, islam is everything including justification for mass murder. I'd say that a doctrine within which can be found justification and incitement to murder is evil. Here we see the doctrine in action, as its adherents wanted us to see.
Allan - I stopped reading when I saw your foul language which had to be edited by Pete Moore. Do try to behave in future and some people might listen to you.
Paul - Islam is not monolithic so all you say rests on a false premise. It would be easier if everything fitted into such convenient boxes but alas it ain't the case.
First, I have read several accounts of crowds cheering the SS in Germany shouting 'Christ murderers' at Jews that were being shot or carted away to the camps.
Second, for those who think that these are just political acts (not that that makes them any more acceptable) should consult the Koran. It gives plenty of encouragement top slaughter the unbelievers. (I accept that the Bible does too, but not quite so insistently.)
DC now who's being intellectually lazy and invoking Goodwin's law?
come...come.....
Don't you know that for Islam there is no seperation of religion and politics? And the Nazi fanatics were defeated. AS must these lunatics.
it would be great if ATW covered the reign of terror over two girls by their own father who repeatedly raped them and fathered 19 children by them. It is the story of the moment.
Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 10:24AM | JP
Check out <B>welfare statism</B> posted at eight thirty this morning?
WAKE UP!!
The only one stuffed into any box here DC is you
Well argued, Paul.
That's what I thought about your original comment DC. 'Really well' argued.
Course I did not. I actually thought it was a load of spurious cheap garbage put about by an idiot.
DC,
"Islam is not monolithic so all you say rests on a false premise."
Welcome to rightworld. The way it works here is that if a Christian ever did anything wrong they are not a real Christian, and if a Muslim ever does anything right they are not a real Muslim.
If she drowns, she's innocent.
"Why don't the lefties and apologists for islam just admit it: each of you KNEW exactly which doctrine the murderous filth who did this adhere to - didn't you?"
Come on now, you lefties and apologists for islam. Be honest and admit that you knew who the terrorists are as soon as you heard the first reports.
If she drowns, she's innocent.
The answer is a duck.
Orlando
You affect to be so pig ignorant that you confuse Christianity with a murderous pagan cult
By definition christianity is a murderoues pagan cult
Pagan:
1. one of a people or community observing a polytheistic religion, as the ancient Romans and Greeks.
2. a person who is not a Christian, Jew, or Muslim.
3. an irreligious or hedonistic person.
Cult
1. a particular system of religious worship, esp. with reference to its rites and ceremonies.
2. an instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, esp. as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.
3. the object of such devotion.
4. a group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.
5. Sociology. a group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centering around their sacred symbols.
6. a religion or sect considered to be false, unorthodox, or extremist, with members often living outside of conventional society under the direction of a charismatic leader.
7. the members of such a religion or sect.
Murderous:
No definition required 2000 years of history is enough definition
Definitions by Dictionary.com
Come on now, you lefties and apologists for islam. Be honest and admit that you knew who the terrorists are as soon as you heard the first reports.
Thursday, November 27, 2008 at 02:44PM | allan@aberdeen
Of course we did Allen it wouldnt be on this site if it was otherwise
Sean, I'm off to re-read Proverbs 26.
Bye
"Islam is not monolithic so all you say rests on a false premise."
True enough, after all Shia and Sunni have been slaughtering each other in the name of *their* particular version of who should lead the faithful for over a millenium...
"Welcome to rightworld. The way it works here is that if a Christian ever did anything wrong they are not a real Christian,"
Read the Bible, read the Koran. Thought both were nonsense, but pretty sure I can discern which of the two last night's events are closer to the repeated urgings of...
"Of course we did Allen it wouldnt be on this site if it was otherwise"
Yeah Sean, we at ATW never condemn any other terror groups of different religions such as the IRA or the UVF at all...dickhead.
DSD class befitting yourself
Judaism 1.0
Judaism 2.0 Christianity
Judaism 2.0 Christianity 2.1 Islam
Judaism 2.0 Christianity 2.2 Mormons
Judaism 2.0 christianity 2.2.1 ad infinitum
So many people murdered over different interpretations of the same basic tenets
DSD,
"Read the Bible, read the Koran. Thought both were nonsense, but pretty sure I can discern which of the two last night's events are closer to the repeated urgings of..."
Which part of the Koran urges pulling the holders of British and American passports out of civilian crowds in a third country, and indiscriminate shooting of the rest? Is that in the hadith?
Wherever it is, it would seem that most Muslims completely ignore it, did so last night, will do so tomorrow, and have been doing so for years.
No doubt some people were rubbing there hands with glee, at the thought of this incident. Another excuse for anti-muslim bigotry to spew forth. But by doing so they have merely illustrated their complete ignorance of Islam. Like other religions there are many denominations and interpretations. Thses fools were most likely Wahabbi or Deobandi madrassa alumni ! But hey, sure lets tar the remaining denominations or 99% of muslims who have enever engaged in violence with the same big brush, because its easy to do so !
OK RS let's hear from the other 99% expressing their total disgust and outright rejection of this latest bombing. Don't hold your breath.
Hitler, the Crusades are ancient and not so ancient history, but the bombings are here and now and always Muslims. It just so happens they are the latest evil to infest the planet.
"It just so happens they are the latest evil to infest the planet."
Doesn't your hand ever get tired of holding that big brush Maggie?
Not when I am confronted by stupidity such as yours RS
Maggie, Muslims are not the "latest evil to infest the planet". Some Muslims are committing evil acts. There is an attempt by certain people on this thread to blame the Islamic faith and doctrine for these attacks, rather than certain Muslims interpretation to Islam in the same way that certain people, Atheists for example, try to blame Christian faith and doctrine for things like the Crusades and the Spanish Inqusition.
Secondly, Ancient History ends with the fall of the the Western Roman Empire in 476AD and both the Crusades and the Holocaust did happen after that so it is factually incorrect to refer to them as Ancient History.
BTW please post all the rejections published by Muslims around the world.
The religion of pieces strikes again. 100 innocent people killed in cold blood. Disgusting.
I have been to the Taj on two separate occasions. A magnificent building erected by the British at the height of Empire. To sit in one of its restaurants, eating great pasta whilst an Indian pianist on a grand piano belts out instrumentals of songs by the Beatles and Elton John is pleasure at its best.
Seeing it in flames last night just made me hate the general thrust of Islam that little bit more.
"BTW please post all the rejections published by Muslims around the world."
The Muslim leader of Afghanistan declared "Terrorism is a tyrant enemy which threatens all of humanity and has challenged the region of South Asia"
The Muslim Foreign Minister stated "The government of Indonesia strongly condemns the terrorist attacks in Mumbai, India. The terrorist attacks are cruel and inhumane acts. The government of Indonesia conveys its deepest condolences to the government of India and the victims along with their families, and hopes that the perpetrators could be swiftly arrested and be brought to justice"
It was also condemned by numerous other Islamic countries around the world, including Kuwait and Pakistan.
Maggie, if reading makes me stupid, I'll take that over your idea of smart any day. If you want to know about radicals, particularly those in the Indian subcontinent, I suggest you read Charles Allen's 'God's Terrorists'. Excellent read.
Remember Maggie, its a good thing to actually read about matters which affect us in the world today, instead of climbing aboard your soapbox to vent your spleen without any clue of what you speak about.
Well good for them Seamus, must make you and RS feel a lot better.
Maggie, you asked for evidence of Muslims around the world condemning this attack and I gave you quotes from two Islamic governments in the region. It was mirrored by similar quotes from most Islamic countries. There is an attempt to show this as attack by Islam and it isn't. It is an attack by some Muslims. The open and naked racism and xenophobia from some people here shows maybe why scum like the BNP are doing well.
RS I am reading and watching the news on a daily basis, when I read about people being blown up by a suicide bomber I naturally assume they are members of the BNP ...ok duh
Why would that make me feel better Maggie?