The Next President of The United States
Sunday, July 5, 2009 at 03:57PM 
You can tell how scared the left is of a candidate by the amount of venom, bile, and vitriol they spew from their gaping holes. That alone makes Sarah a viable candidate for President. Watching the epileptic seizures that are inflicting the talking heads and those "in the know" on the left is a great piece of entertainment.
While the Marxist that sits in the White House supports Dictators, attacks our friends, encourages the killing of dissenters in Iran, and cripples the American Dream. Sarah Palin could if she chooses to become the rallying point of common sense and American core values that is sorely missing on the political scene.
The people of the U.S. are not as stupid as our politicians or political commentators are, we are the power in this country not those in Washington or those that report on them. The combination of the current administrations crippling of the American economy and forced enema of socialism that he is giving us provides the perfect opportunity to the refreshing Palin.
And as Maureen Dowd, Katie Curic and other wackjob mouth pieces of the left go to lunch on her what they will find out is that the majority of America will be more interested in what Palin has to say than any of them do.
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I too hope that Palin is the Republican candidate next time out!!! :))) That would nean four more big ones for Obama.
"You can tell how scared the left is of a candidate by the amount of venom, bile, and vitriol they spew from their gaping holes."
And how do we tell how scared the right is?
by the amount of ammo purchased
Oh please.
The next president my foot.
She can never win on a national ticket, and her supporters are doing her - or the conservative movement - any favors my saying that she can.
This is a time for contemplation, not for promoting someone so clearly unready for a global stage.
If so many Republicans are so ready to follow Sarah off a cliff, then I guess the thing for rational thinkers is to do is try to form alliances with sensible / conservative Democrats ( there are some ) and ride out the next seven years of Obama.
McCain's greatest failing in retrospect was plucking this woman from her northern obscurity.
The vitriol thrown at Palin reminds me a little of the hatred thrown at the Conservative Black Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas.
It's also interesting to see the reaction from the Washington insiders, the insider Republicans. They also seem exposed. I think Palin pulls back the curtain on all the power bulls** in Washington - and it scares the crap out of Democrats and Republicans alike.
They are so comfortable, and wield so much power, and along comes the genuine article, Palin and they just feel naked. and their comfortable world is threatened.
"This is a time for contemplation" ???
It's time for navel gazing? Surely you jest.
You think 8 years of socialism is better than Palin's conservative populism? Have you looked at the unemployment, state of affairs in socialist countries?
ahh but Phantom candidate or not she is the lightning rod that all the issues will strike on and the left will hang themselves on thier hypocracy over
Clarence Thomas is one step beyond a dummy. He never opens his mouth during Supreme Court deliberations.The Anita Hill stuff may have been baloney, -- and the treatment of Bork was a disgrace-- but this guy is a token.
Sarah Palin is provincial, not ready for prime time.
If you want these guys as icons, count me out baby. We can do much better than that. I want the A team, not this lot.
I don't really follow American politics and I don't have strong feelings either way about Palin (although I thought that she came over very very well when talking about the Special Olympics.
The vitriol directed at her seems to be of a particularly nasty and personal hue. I don't see her as someone who could win over the centre ground but these attacks would make me rethink.
How does it compare with the attitude to Hilarly Clinton> I seem to remember some uncomplimentry stuff about Chelsea, which was out of order.
Aileen: people attacked Hillary in a sexist way (thick ankles etc.) and said mean uncalled for things about Chelsea's looks but the attacks were fewer and I don't remember as nasty or as pervasive.
Some on the Left practically spit when they speak of Palin. The Left hated Bush in the same way but it was more understandable due to the Iraq War. Why Palin elicits such a response I cannot say. I think she must be breaking some taboos, or conventions that people hold dear to.
People seem to either love Palin, or hate Palin.
Hillary was attacked over a period of many years. It only petered out when Obama was elected.
Palin just emerged on a national stage very recently.
They're attacked for different reasons, really - Hillary for being pathologically ambitious ( the hand behind the throne, for overlooking Bill's shenanigans because of her personal ambition ).
You can agree or not agree with this, but I'll tell you right now why many are uncomfortable with Palin - because she's just not presidential timber, she is more the woman next door, that is if you happen to live in a state that is empty and remote.
She appeared terribly uninformed about the broader world ( that Couric interview revealed a lot ) and the " you betcha " speech pattern ( a forced affectation that Alaskans don't even use ) made her appear phony.
i don't hate her. But she is not cut out for higher office. Many Republicans and Independents realize this. If she is the candidate next time, we go down to a huge, and richly deserved defeat. There simply are not two sides to this story. Be very careful what you wish for.
I've noticed that Fox News and the NY Post are increasing the propaganda campaign for this Sarah. Ah. well.
Palin is way too erratic to ever be President. She might secure a nomination from the Republicans given their sad state of affairs, but nationally she is a dud. While there has been some obvious over the top attacks on her, you can discount those and still find serious criticism across the political spectrum that is too valid to consider her a serious person. She is a good looking lightweight who mimics a few slogans and therefore attracts the devotion of the fringe right. She'll never be President.
I visited Harry's Place just to see what other lefties are saying about Sarah Palin. Many comments there actually criticised the left for its hypocrisy and pure nastiness. Here's one such comment from John P. which sums up my thoughts, and yes, where is Joe Biden?
<<John P.
4 July 2009, 10:02 pm
But, really, when you see Palin in action… can’t you guys see how really deeply weird she is?
I used to think like that too, but then I spent a couple of years working in remote British Columbia ( not far from Alaska), a place just full of deeply wierd people.
Turns out they were quite normal.
I still find it astounding that a certain progressive feminist comedien suggested taking Palin to Harlem to have her gang-raped by blacks.
That and the fact the ‘progressives’ in the audience laughed and howled thinking the whole idea such a hoot.
What ever became of Joe Biden, anyways?
Is he in a cage or just a straight-jacket?>>
Patty
That is how I remember the stuff about HC, sexist but not as vicious as dorected towards SP.
Phantom
I can understand people having reservations but I don't understand the venom. Doesn't there have to be some fear behind that?
The fact that she is even being taken seriously by some is shocking, a sign of desperation, chasing after a mirage.
Even the reports of her resignation add to the strangeness. She didn't even tell senior staffers until just before. She met with one of the Alaska U.S. Senators on Wednesday on Alaskan issues, , and didn't even let on that this was a remote possibility.
Terribly sad all around. I'm serious.
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Rah-rah puff piece from the Murdoch-owned NY Post
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aileen
I think that the venom from the libs/lefties is caused by the fact that they're snakes.
And to some extent it's a class thing - looking down on the Palins because she's not as educated as they think that they are.
The strongest hatred of Palin I've seen personally is from women BTW for what that's worth.
I hate to rain on your parade, but I'd say "the left" would be only delighted if Sarah Palin was chosen as the Republican candidate in 2012.
Phantom and Mahons: your mantra "Palin cannot be President" just isn't resonating.
I leave you with a thought: Reagan was said to be an idiot actor, too old, and said to be advised by his nutty wife who was into astrology.
Phantom: "I'll tell you right now why many are uncomfortable with Palin - because she's just not presidential timber"
Slow Joe BIden isn't Presidential timber but people don't spit out his name and he's next in line to the Presidency. Nancy Pelosi is next in line after Joe, and certainly President Nancy is a frightening thought, but I don't see the venom towards her that Palin endures.
Conclusion, that's not the reason.
Biden was a stupid choice, but he's more presidential timber than Palin is.
There is a huge venom directed against Pelosi by right wing talk radio, all the time. ( Levin, Limbaa, Savage, all of them )
Reagan served two successful terms as governor of the largest state. Palin didn't even serve one full term as governor of a remote and unpopulated state.
"Biden was a stupid choice, but he's more presidential timber than Palin is"
Why is Biden a better candidate than Palin? Because he's a man?
Because he's a Washington DC insider? This doesn't resonate with alot of people out here in the hinterlands, Phantom.
Because he's read a few newspapers and the odd book and has been outside of his home state or the country once or twice.
Patty, you don't speak for the people of California anymore than I speak for the people of NY. But neither of those rich and prominent states is the hinterlands. And neither state will be carried by Sarah Barracuda in a hundred billion lifetimes.
We don't agree about Palin, obviously, but enough said.
Running out soon - but again, the Reagan comparison is not good at all. Reagan had been in the thick of intra-union fights against Communist influence when it took courage to do so [ Screen Actors Guild ] and had been a speaker on a national stage on international issues including the struggle of Communism vs capitalism and democracy, all before he became a highly successful two term governor.
Don't embarrass Sarah Palin by putting her in the same conversation as the great Ronald Reagan!
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We were typing at the same time. I wish Palin well. I just wish her another career path. Take care.
What is wrong with you folks? - it matters little who is the POTUS, or for that matter, any other Leader of a Western nation, - he, she or it, is advised, persauded, pushed, cajoled, manipulated, bullied and pandered to, into doing and saying things he, as likely, knows little or cares even less about, and so it has been for a long time.
After all, it is the Party, in the guise of President, that we vote for, real democracy where we voted for 'the individual', for the person of integrity, and capability, who merited our trust, - are a thing of the past, - there is just too much at stake to be left to one or two individuals. It is a very rare person who would be able to fill the post purely on their own ability, let alone one as inexperienced as the present, or perhaps the previous incumbent. To continually find the ideal replacement every four or five years, is an impossibility, even in such a great country as America. even one a generation would be an achievement.
Bearing in mind that even the The Almighty would not pass wihout criticism.
He, or maybe she, has to do no more than look and sound good, - in other words, to be a good actor, The real leadership, the power behind the throne is all those cronies and backers who paved the way to the Oval Office, - and let's not forget the media luvvies, - that 's why it's called politics!
When electing a President or Premier, or whatever, we should ignore the individual and look behind them at the people who put them there, - they are the real policy makers, and many are never even known to the public, let alone voted into office!
So folks untwist the knickers, get back into the pram, and watch the blood pressure!
Patty - There is simply no comparison between Reagan and Pain. Although no intellectual Reagan was fully able to articulate his message and could more than hold his own in any debate. Palin is a parrot, she hasn't contributed a single independent thought to the proces, and now she's marked as a quitter.
Plus Reagan had broad popular appeal, which Palin simply does not have.
'Palin is a parrot,' - as is Obama, she at least tries to do it without a teleprompter.
' she hasn't contributed a single independent thought' - and Obama has?
'Plus Reagan had broad popular appeal, which Palin simply does not have.' - are you really sure of that? - it may seem that way to you East Coast types, but since when has anyone really taken much of what any of you say, seriously? the heartlands of America would probably beg to differ on that one...
I saw most of the debate between Palin and Biden: I didn't see Biden win. Why is Biden so much more suitable for VP or President than Palin? Why are leftists suddenly admitting that Reagan was a capable politician when writing of Palin? It seems rather surreal.
Palin has decided to run away. Let's hope she doesn't try to come back, but I wouldn't be surprised if she announces soon that she is running for the nomination.
To use Frank's fave word, Biden is a strawman. And who are the " leftists " singing Reagan's praises here? I'm not a leftist, and I don't think that mahons is either. We are on different points of the Great American centrist grid as I see it.
But Crazy Joe Biden is a distraction. Leave him chained up in the basement where he belongs.
Patty - it's not an East Coast thing. Last time I looked, Obama won all the West Coast states save Alaska, as well as Colorado and New Mexico, a bunch of Midwest states, Florida , Virginia and god help us North Carolina
This is hardly an " East Coast " issue. The party that is geographically challenged is the GOP which is now largely just a Southern Party - but one that can no longer count on FL, NC and Virginia. That is extremely problematic.
There is a real possibility that a Palin run could rip the party apart for good. Which might not be a bad thing, either.
Ernest - I am not sure what "an East Coast Type" really is since that ranges from Maine to Florida and includes millions of people (including my fellow Americans Monica, Troll and Phantom).
As for Reagan having broad popular appeal, you may not have noticed but he won two national elections. Even many of his political opponents admired his political skills, charm and wit. So I am on fairly safe ground suggesting he had broad popular appeal. Palin has never had his kind of numbers, and except for a small segment of the electorate is seen unfavorably by most Americans - even in the so called Heartland.
Allan - Biden's failings (which are many) don't improve Palin's standing, even in comparison.
Mahons; 'Plus Reagan had broad popular appeal, which Palin simply does not have.'
EY; ''Plus Reagan had broad popular appeal, which Palin simply does not have.' - are you really sure of that? - it may seem that way to you East Coast types, but since when has anyone really taken much of what any of you say, seriously? the heartlands of America would probably beg to differ on that one...'
M; <>'As for Reagan having broad popular appeal, you may not have noticed but he won two national elections.'
Nothing like a bit of a twist to put a strawman in the way of a debate... we were discussing Palin, not Reagan.
EY; I never said he didn't have popular appeal, we have known all along that was the case, it was your assertion that Palin didn't have popular appeal that I was querying.
You really will have to brush up on the comprehension skills....as I know you to be capable of adult debate without every point being explained, I take it you are just being devious for the sake of it...
>>I'm not a leftist, and I don't think that mahons is either. We are on different points of the Great American centrist grid as I see it.<<
Nicely put, Phantom.
It appears that leftists such as mahons are measuring Palin in absolute terms whilst measuring lesser politicians such as Biden in relative terms. It is correct for me to use Biden as a yard-stick when mentioning Palin because Biden is what she, as VP candidate for the GOP, should be measured against. If the lefties want to measure Palin against Reagan, it is an ill-conceived and inappropriate comparison because she is not president nor even a candidate. Why not compare Obama with Reagan - or Carter?
Oh so many things to comment on. First of all Phantom Palin is more qualified to be President than the Man currently holding the office or his vice president and secratary of state.
She has achieved more than all 3 of them. Now Phantom I like you and agree with a lot of your political views but my friend your a New Yorker aren't you? and like Californians you people think you represent the main view of the country, but the rest of the country looks at both NY and Ca as bizare fishbowls.
The truth is the only reason that McCain wasn't compleatly blown away by Obama was Palin made it semi stomachable to pull the lever for him.
It is 3 years out from the election anything can happen right now whether anyone likes it or not the 2 best liked candidates by the conservatives are Palin and Romney. Now will someone else emerge, who knows.
If this is Palins jump into the ring at least it will give us someone else besides wall to wall Obama coverage
>>The truth is the only reason that McCain wasn't compleatly blown away by Obama was Palin made it semi stomachable to pull the lever for him.<<
Was there any analysis of results that suggests that, Troll?
Troll
Forget about NY- its a lost cause as a state. Its a political irrelevancy, since the mass vote Democrat without thinking. Other than on the gun control issue, I'm personally more aligned politically with the red states than I am with the socialist state of NY.
But McCain had considerable appeal as a candidate across the board - less so with the GOP " base " - but the base alone cannot win elections for anyone.
Reagan was impressive in that he got all the base votes plus did very well indeed among independents and even among blue collar democrats, without surrendering on any principles.
Palin helped McCain with the base - but that's it. I think that she hurt him -nationally- with independents. At best, she wound up being a wash.
For the next election, she can deliver the base - that is a given - but that doesn't mean anything unless she can enlarge the base. The base will never win national elections by itself, especially now that the South is no longer solid.
Fairly or unfairly, I think that she's poison as respects independents, including independent women. And without them, we're never gonna get Florida, Virginia and Colorado and places like that back.Forget about NY - I just want those three states ( and NC!! ) back
Ernest - Your invocation of reading comprehension would carry more weight if you noted that Reagan was thrown into the discussion by Patty.
Allan - Palin doesn't measure up to Reagan, or Carter, or Bush I or II or Clinton. But one need not look to the past, she fails on her own accord.
Troll - Palin may very well have cost McCain the election. There is not credible evidence that she was anything other than a drag on the ticket. Which you would acknowledge if you wished to be credible in the discussion.
I think that this was Obama's year no matter what, esp as the financial crisis happened as the election neared.
Palin had one good night- the night she gave the speech at the convention. After that, she was a drag every time she opened her mouth on national TV. Which was why they pretty much kept her off TV at a certain point - they knew what was happening. Had they not done that, this loss could have been worse.
McCain made an impulsive choice based on limited information. It was a Hail Mary pass that did not work. Shoulda gone for the Mormon.
In retrospect, Romney, with his extensive business knowledge ( vastly more than Obama, Biden, and Palin combined ) would have been the best candidate at the top of the ticket. He could have addressed the problems in the markets as the others could not have, and could have appealed to independents in a big way ( he was governor of Massachusetts! )
I think that Romney still would have lost, but he would have been teed up as the 2012 candidate and the GOP would have been in way better shape nationally now.
Allan,
"If the lefties want to measure Palin against Reagan"
Patty made the comparison.
"it is an ill-conceived and inappropriate comparison"
Yes and many of the other 'lefties' (like Phantom) have been explaining that.
Allan probably considers Patty a lefty.
"I think that Romney still would have lost"
I agree. The country was determined to prove to herself that she wasn't a "racist imperialist" even if it meant embracing an inexperienced socialist like Obama.
That's how rich we were. We were rich enough to indulge in the fantasy that we were somehow unworthy of our success, to 'prove' ourselves to the virulent Left, and especially to Europeans who were purported to hate us.
Are we morally superior yet? Can we get off our high horse of stubborn self-righteousness and save our country from destruction wrought by disproved socialist economic theory?
Don't sell Obama short.
He ran an intelligent campaign, is one tough politician, has a demeanor that people like, and has a first rate mind.
Does not mean I voted for him - I did not and likely will not - but do not underestimate this guy.
it was definitly Obama's or Hillary's year that was ordained with the picking of McCain he was always guranteed to keep the conservative vote out of the equation.
Mahon's after election internal polling estimated that Palin boosted the McCain vote by 7-10 million votes
Troll - Where did you get that number from, Todd Palin?
Greta van Susteren
"Greta van Susteren"
That would be the same Greta van Susteren married to Caribou Barbie's spin doctor?
This graph illustrates the boost that adding her to the ticket brought to the McCain campaign last autumn.
Mahons, Palin cannot be compared with five previous Presidents because she has not been President - yet. Comparing her directly with Biden and other VPs (e.g. Gore) is appropriate and she compares favourably, one of her main attributes being that she is not an Establishment politician. There are so many lies being posted about her that she needs time to get her demolition into the system.
Did Palin say that she could see Siberia from her house? Many voters believe so and although it is false, I'm sure that many here wouldn't be averse to not denying it.