WE MUST BOMB IRAN!
Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 09:20AM Well, not for the first time I find myself in full agreement with Norman Podhoretz, an adviser to the Giuliani camp, when he advocates over on the Daily Telegraph that...
"None of the alternatives to military action - negotiations, sanctions, provoking an internal insurrection - can possibly work," They’re all ways of evading the terrible choice we have to make which is to either let them get the bomb or to bomb them.People I’ve talked to have no doubt we could set it back five or 10 years. There are those who believe we can get the underground facilities as well with these highly sophisticated bunker-busting munitions."
That's why we need the MOP. Have you heard of this? It's a newly developed 30,000-pound bomb called the massive ordnance penetrator, or, in military-speak, the MOP. The MOP is the the military’s largest conventional bomb, a super “bunker-buster” capable of destroying hardened targets deep underground. I think a few well-directed MOPS should clean up the Iranian problem, don't you? We either stop Iran or let it gain the nuclear bomb and then quiver in fear. Anyone with any sense knows that "dipomacy" will go nowhere and that Iran will announce sooner rather than later that it has joined the nuclear family and then there is the business of finishing off what Hitler started. So, time to MOP out the Iranian nuclear capability.
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I think if there was conrete intelligence on the location of these nuclear facilities then that would be an option. It wouldnt suprise me if they were in alot of civilan areas though , its a tactic these fascist use these days.
>>I think a few well-directed MOPS should clean up the Iranian problem<<
But a few misses - and there will be misses - could ignite the whole region in a nuclear tit-for-tat, and it would be the West - but especially people like you and Podhoretz that support such a first-strike policy - that will be responsible for starting it.
>>its a tactic these fascist use these days.<<
Paul, "fascists" have always used that tactic, including the British Army. It's only common sense.
That's why we need the MOP. Have you heard of this?
yes. and keen eyes have discovered request for money in the next death budget for modifying B2 bombers to carry MOPs.
I think a few well-directed MOPS should clean up the Iranian problem, don't you?
the problem with death cultists like yourself david is that you wrap yourself in all sorts of protective rhetoric and never really analyse the various scenarios which could unfold.
Surgical strikes may sound good and offer least risk to all. But Iran would be wholly justified in retaliation, and likely will, which would probably come through iraq. so already the situation has escalated to large scale open field combat. so how does the west solve that problem before it gets out of hand? simple, along with the surgical strikes it hits all major military installations, airfields, naval stations, logistical centres, communications hubs and power facilities.
so now a pre-emptive strike on selected targets has evolved in to a modern blitzkrieg of epic proportions.
the surgical strike strategy is unlikely to be the strategy the US will follow because the risks are too great. iran is more likely going to be destroyed under a hail of bombs. and i think you and everyone should be made aware of whats truely at stake. ie the lives of many many people. potentially including you and i if russia (and/or china) decide not to sit idly by.
something tells me though, that this is exactly what the wests own death cultists want.
I think you're enjoying the techno-porn rather too much Mr Vance. I also think you're incredibly short-sighted, and buy into this crap about sensible Western nations being responsible enough to control nuclear weapons, while nasty Arabs can't be trusted.
See it as it is. We've got them by the balls and can dictate terms while we've got the nuclear upper hand. It's simply the victory of might over right, with history being written by the victors in the arms race.
Snakebrain,
Iran has made it clear what it will do with nukes. I'm not seduced by the garbage you pontificate upon.
Maybe they need to be bombed but I can't say I have much confidence in our intelligence services getting the targets right after a few WMD's went walkabout in a certain other middle eastern country :|
Iran has made it clear what it will do with nukes. I'm not seduced by the garbage you pontificate upon.
david you and ahmedinejad sing from roughly the same hymn sheet. the detail you differ on is the state to be destroyed.
DT,
At least it is from a hymn sheet, better that, than from a Loony Tunes script....
On this matter of Iran and nuclear weapons, Snakebrain wrote:
".......and buy into this crap about sensible Western nations being responsible enough to control nuclear weapons, while nasty Arabs can't be trusted."
Iranians aren't arabs and that is not me being pedantic: that is a basic piece of ignorance.
Tripper,
You don't understand what a hymn sheet is.
At least it is from a hymn sheet, better that, than from a Loony Tunes script....,/i>
what looney tunes script?
You don't understand what a hymn sheet is.
youre right. and i dont care to know. you claim to hate all politicians but you seem awfully keen to tow certian party lines.
I think that bombing Iran, by "surgical strikes" or otherwise is an appalling option. It risks setting off another middle east war with unforseeable consequences for the region, never mind the possible threat to oil supplies and the world economy.
However, the prospect of the Iranian regime with their fingers on the nuclear trigger is even worse. They would undoubtedly use their new strength to dominate and bully the entire region. And they would spread the weapons know-how to Syria. And eventually, a nuclear war would break out.
So bombing now is probably the least worse option.
One thing is certain. Nothing short of military action will stop the mullahs getting the bomb. They are running rings round the diplomatic efforts of the UN and others, and the idea of sanctions doing the job is laughable.
snakebrain,
We owe our freedom today to westeren Nations`, bottom line. Islam when instituted in government offers us chaos and oppression. Give me one islamic country that has made a success of it , give me one beacon of light. I'm not going to say any religion is wrong , who knows , but the fact remains they just cant get it together.
Noel,
The british army have done things which heve being horribly unfair. There are many which have being destroyed and scarred , fair enough. This argument is bigger though its about civilization and our way of life and who has the power and means to sustain our system. If the UN did work it would be great but because of their make up its just not possible. If someone has a better alternative let me know , who'll do all the bloody messy work to keep us free?
If Iran was about to start a nuclear weapons program I would likely feel little remorse if it was taken out.
Tripper,
I have NOT said that I hate politicians. I said that I don't like them, in the same way as I don't like standing in dog excrement.
Iran is not part of the "Globalised" international community and its resources are unavailable to the economic giants of this age.
the disparity (again) between real and portrayed motivations is so vast as to be completely unmissable, yet most do.
this is all about money. nukes or religion or terrorism are just smokescreen and people should wake up.
Check this out.
"I have NOT said that I hate politicians. I said that I don't like them, in the same way as I don't like standing in dog excrement."
You don't hate standing in dog excrement?
Try to avoid it!!!
"Iranians aren't arabs and that is not me being pedantic: that is a basic piece of ignorance."
There's perhaps a broader point being made there, you pedantic twit. I'm referring to the SIOE rubbish which is being promulgated on this blog. A bunch of stuff so overtly racist and xenophobic that they have to have a banner sized disclaimer saying that they definitely aren't even a little bit racist at the top of their web-page. A bit like the old South African slogan that "Differentiation is not discrimination".
Two bunches of fundamentalist crazies for the price of one...
Two bunches of fundamentalist crazies for the price of one...
well said.
they are both on the same side of the ideological barrier and they should be bludgeoned with such self evident truths in perpetuity.
Snakebrain:
Among the demonstrators at the SIOE demo on Friday was an Iranian convert from Islam to Christianity, as well as Egyptian (and therefore, probably Arab) Copts. Are they racist xenophobes? And, if so, against whom?
By the way, I know that this fact undermines one of the basic methods that the left uses to stifle debate, but you do realise, I hope, that accusing people of being "racist and xenophobic" doesn't actually prove them to be so? I would suggest that the reason that SIOE (an international organisation, and therefore one that is especially unlikely to be xenophobic) has a statement denouncing racism on its masthead, is that people like you keep accusing it of being racist, without letting the absence of anything so mundane as evidence get in your way.
Snakebrain proves a point often mentioned here: anyone who disagrees with the likes of snakebrain is 'racist', whatever it may mean and as defined on that day, hour or minute.
regardless allan. the mere handful of attendees clearly demonstrates: "nobody gives a shit". obviously most people are too interested in the bargains at debenhams to notice they are being enslaved by islam.
Your point, Daytripper, does hit the mark. A bit OT but consumerism is the anaesthetic administered by global corporations whilst their countries are ended and turned into one huge market-place in the interests of - those same global corporations.
However, just because a few dozen people turn up for a demo doesn't mean that their case is wrong. I agree with SIOE and I'm going to send them some money.
Your point, Daytripper, does hit the mark. A bit OT but consumerism is the anaesthetic administered by global corporations whilst their countries are ended and turned into one huge market-place in the interests of - those same global corporations.
LOL.
eh? hold on. if i came out with that id be deafened by the cries of "COMMUNIST" ;)
youre right tho. its is the opium for the masses to which nobody is completely immune.
BTW alan
stick in the term "money as debt" into google video.
its only 45 min long, but a great watch.
Daytripper
An excellent watch indeed.
BTW, to the commenters in general, I rather resent the assumption that I adhere to the politics of the Left. Perhaps you should look for a little "evidence" as somebody so charmingly put it on here..